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新的命令行短消息系统终于问世了
这个系统要想更加成熟
还需要做以下的工作
1、增设发件箱
2、在用户登录后有提示消息
3、使用edit或者其它命令回复短消息
4、允许删除短消息
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短消息系统导致许多命令的文档描述概念需要扩展
同时需要考虑以后可能增加更多的文件系统
比如脚本,主题订阅等等
A new command-line short message system is finally available.
For this system to become more mature, the following work still needs to be done:
1. Add a sent mailbox.
2. Have a prompt message after the user logs in.
3. Use the edit or other commands to reply to short messages.
4. Allow deleting short messages.
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The short message system leads to the need to expand the documentation description concepts of many commands. At the same time, it is necessary to consider that more file systems may be added in the future, such as scripts, topic subscriptions, etc.
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现在用户登录后已有提示消息。
同时支持用NET和EDIT等命令来发送/回复短消息似乎不妥,或许可以考虑这种形式:
直接将短消息发送给指定用户:NET SEND TO xxx
将短消息发送给指定文件(帖子/短消息)的作者:NET SEND 文件名 [帖子号]
就像论坛的每个帖子后都有一个“消息”按钮可以给其作者发消息一样,比如当用NET SEND C:\1\2将发送短消息给此帖的发帖人,而NET SEND G:\1将发送(即回复)短消息给此文件(短消息)的发送人。
至于订阅或收藏的主题,由于均为其它驱动器中已有的内容,所以单独增加新的文件系统似乎并无必要,而采用NET xxx(比如NET FILE?)形式的命令来显示个人的主题订阅/收藏以及它们的所在路径也许更好些。
Now the user has a prompt message after logging in.
At the same time, it seems inappropriate to support sending/replying to private messages using commands like NET and EDIT. Maybe consider this form:
Directly send a private message to a specified user: NET SEND TO xxx
Send a private message to the author of a specified file (post/private message): NET SEND file name
Just like there is a "Message" button after each post in the forum to send a message to its author. For example, when using NET SEND C:\1\2, it will send a private message to the poster of this post, and NET SEND G:\1 will send (that is, reply) a private message to the sender of this file (private message).
As for the subscribed or bookmarked topics, since they are all existing content in other drives, it is not necessary to separately add a new file system. Instead, it may be better to use a command in the form of NET xxx (such as NET FILE?) to display the user's topic subscriptions/bookmarks and their location paths.
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现已正式加入发件箱!发件箱在收件箱的后一个驱动器。发送的短消息将自动存入这里。
已增强NET SEND命令,可以用它来直接对某个文件(帖子/短消息)的作者进行发送/回复短消息。用法详见楼上。
除昨天加入的NET VIEW命令显示在线用户列表外,现已增加了NET FILE命令显示订阅/收藏的文件(主题),以及NET GROUP命令显示用户组信息。
It has been officially added to the Outbox! The Outbox is the next drive after the Inbox. Short messages sent will be automatically stored here.
The NET SEND command has been enhanced, and it can be used to directly send/reply to short messages to the author of a certain file (post/short message). For usage, please refer to the upper floor.
In addition to the NET VIEW command added yesterday to display the list of online users, the NET FILE command has now been added to display the subscribed/favorited files (threads), and the NET GROUP command to display user group information.
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短消息系统还没有办法进行全面的测试
不过目前还没发现什么问题
突然觉得Google的线索浏览方式挺使用
类似于创建和维护一个多人共有的私有主题
但现在要实现它又要大动
还是算了吧
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net user/net view/net group/net file也已简单测试
希望net file可以用以下的形式浏览和增删订阅
net file id
net file id /a
net file id /d
订阅和收藏建议保留一个就可以了
目前来看,二者的功能有很大的重叠
似乎订阅更强一些,可以在有更新显示提示
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net view 建议加上浏览的论坛ID/名
net view/net user 可以指定用户名
net user username 查阅其它用户信息
net view username 查阅指定用户动作
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注意到文件属性中增加了New
但目前为止,type/edit/more不会复位这个属性
只能到Web界面里复位
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The short message system still can't be fully tested. But so far, no problems have been found. Suddenly, I think Google's thread browsing method is quite useful. It's similar to creating and maintaining a private topic shared by multiple people. But now, to implement it, it would require major changes. Still, forget it.
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The net user/net view/net group/net file have also been simply tested. It is hoped that net file can be browsed, added, and deleted for subscriptions in the following forms:
net file id
net file id /a
net file id /d
It is suggested that only one of subscription and collection be retained. At present, the functions of the two have a lot of overlap. It seems that subscription is stronger, as it can display prompts when there are updates.
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For net view, it is suggested to add the forum ID/name being browsed. net view/net user can specify the user name.
net user username to view other user information
net view username to view the actions of the specified user
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It is noticed that the New has been added to the file attributes. But so far, type/edit/more will not reset this attribute. It can only be reset in the Web interface.
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我在编辑比较长的帖子上出现问题
如果帖子内容超出一屏
那么在编辑帖子前段的内容时
屏显会随着键盘的键入不断的在命令行最底部和当前位置来回抖动
I have problems when editing relatively long posts. If the post content exceeds one screen, then when editing the content at the front of the post, the screen display will keep jittering back and forth between the bottom of the command line and the current position as I type on the keyboard.
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已加入以下方式订阅或取消订阅文件:
订阅:NET ADD 文件名
取消订阅:NET DEL(ETE) 文件名
要浏览直接用TYPE或MORE命令加上文件名即可。
NET USER和NET VIEW现已支持用户名参数,将分别显示指定用户的信息和在线状态。NET VIEW同时也已支持显示用户所在的文件名或目录名。
另外加入了NET STATISTICS(可简写为NET STATS)显示一些论坛统计数据。
TYPE/MORE命令对于短消息文件的<新>属性将自动复位,但对于主题文件的方式因为方式完全不同,所以暂未支持。
关于比较长的帖子的问题,请举例说明,以便我在不同浏览器下进行测试以确定问题所在。
The following methods have been added to subscribe to or unsubscribe from files:
Subscribe: NET ADD filename
Unsubscribe: NET DEL(ETE) filename
To browse, simply use the TYPE or MORE command plus the filename.
NET USER and NET VIEW now support username parameters, which will respectively display the information and online status of the specified user. NET VIEW has also supported displaying the filename or directory name where the user is located.
In addition, NET STATISTICS (can be abbreviated as NET STATS) is added to display some forum statistics.
The TYPE/MORE command will automatically reset the <New> attribute for short message files, but it does not currently support the way for topic files because the methods are completely different.
Regarding the problem of relatively long posts, please give examples so that I can test under different browsers to determine the problem.
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编辑长帖抖动的例子:D:\12\24289 38
或者本帖也可以
比较集中发生在插入或删除文字的时候
猜测与不久前增加的按任意键回到命令行底部的特性有关
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net statistics/user/view 没发现什么问题
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net file add/del 也没发现什么问题
只是感觉似乎可以再增强一下
一方面可以根据订阅主题的更新顺序列表
可以获知最近更新的订阅
另一方面可以给订阅主题定义一个别名或者序号
可以使用 type ~1 的形式加速命令行的访问
或者可以使用 edit cmdprmpt -1 的形式免去记忆id的麻烦
环境变量可以辅助完成这个过程
但似乎仍有瑕疵
由此想到doskey的宏命令似乎也可以间接实现这个过程
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至于是否将edit过的主题自动加入订阅也可以讨论
因为这样可以将我的主题和主题订阅功能合二为一的实现
但对那些经常回帖灌水的朋友可能不利
不断刷新的订阅可能会导致降低对某些感兴趣问题的关注程度
当然前提是他们使用订阅这个功能
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Example of jitter in editing a long post: D:\12\24289 38
Or this post can also be
It occurs more concentratedly when inserting or deleting text
Suspected to be related to the recently added feature of pressing any key to return to the bottom of the command line
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net statistics/user/view found no problems
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net file add/del also found no problems
Just feel that it can probably be enhanced further
On one hand, you can know the recently updated subscriptions according to the update order list of the subscribed topics
On the other hand, you can define an alias or serial number for the subscribed topics
You can use the form of type ~1 to speed up access to the command line
Or you can use the form of edit cmdprmpt -1 to avoid the trouble of remembering the id
Environment variables can assist in completing this process
But it still seems to have flaws
Thus, it is thought that the macro commands of doskey can also indirectly realize this process
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As for whether to automatically add the topics edited to the subscription can also be discussed
Because this can realize the integration of my topics and the topic subscription function
But it may be unfavorable for those friends who often post and water
The continuously refreshing subscriptions may lead to a decrease in the attention to some interesting issues
Of course, the premise is that they use the subscription function
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Originally posted by qzwqzw at 2007-1-27 05:06 PM:
编辑长帖抖动的例子:D:\12\24289 38
或者本帖也可以
比较集中发生在插入或删除文字的时候
猜测与不久前增加的按任意键回到命令行底部的特性 ...
关于长帖抖动的问题,看来与那个新特性无关,而是一直存在的当改动了文件内容时会导致自动滚屏的问题。现已将自动滚屏取消。
Originally posted by qzwqzw at 2007-1-27 05:06 PM:
net file add/del 也没发现什么问题
只是感觉似乎可以再增强一下
一方面可以根据订阅主题的更新顺序列表 ...
关于订阅的文件,现已按照最后更新顺序来列出(新->旧),并加入了使用文件ID来实现快速访问。此ID非自己定义的ID,因为论坛数据表中并没有专门的文件订阅ID,而且如果是专门的ID的话会随着订阅的内容或最后更新顺序的变化而不断变化,不太合适。故采用了使用文件本身ID的方法(比如说C:\1\2这个文件的ID为2,而它是固定且唯一的),它也会被NET FILE命令列出。这样,就可以用文件ID来直接存取订阅的文件了,只需在文件ID前加上~字符即可,比如DIR ~11、TYPE ~22、EDIT ~33、NET FILE DEL ~44等等。为了更方便使用,还加入了支持类似~+1、~-2这样的格式,分别代表文件订阅列表中的第一个文件(即最新更新的文件)、文件订阅列表中的倒数第二个文件等等。
现在已支持将EDIT命令过的主题自动加入订阅列表,而且用户也可以打开或关闭此功能。方法是设置%AUTOSUB%环境变量,当其值为任何正数(默认为1)的时候EDIT将自动将文件加入订阅列表,否则将不加入。
另外,现在TYPE和MORE命令已支持重置帖子文件的<新>属性,而且FIND命令也已支持查找收件箱和发件箱(G:和H:)内的文件(短消息)中的内容。
更新到3.8正式版。
Originally posted by qzwqzw at 2007-1-27 05:06 PM:
Example of editing long post jitter: D:\12\24289 38
Or this post can also be
It occurs relatively concentratedly when inserting or deleting text
Guess it has something to do with the newly added feature of pressing any key to return to the bottom of the command line...
Regarding the problem of long post jitter, it seems that it has nothing to do with that new feature, but is a problem of automatic scrolling that has always existed when the file content is modified. Now the automatic scrolling has been canceled.
Originally posted by qzwqzw at 2007-1-27 05:06 PM:
No problems found with net file add/del
Just feel that it can be enhanced a bit more
On the one hand, it can be listed according to the update order list of the subscribed topic...
Regarding the subscribed files, they are now listed in the order of the last update (new->old), and the use of file IDs to achieve quick access is added. This ID is not a self-defined ID because there is no special file subscription ID in the forum data table, and if it is a special ID, it will keep changing with the change of the subscribed content or the order of the last update, which is not appropriate. Therefore, the method of using the file's own ID is adopted (for example, the ID of the file C:\1\2 is 2, and it is fixed and unique), and it will also be listed by the NET FILE command. In this way, the subscribed file can be accessed directly with the file ID, just add the ~ character in front of the file ID, such as DIR ~11, TYPE ~22, EDIT ~33, NET FILE DEL ~44, etc. For more convenient use, support for formats like ~+1, ~-2 is also added, which respectively represent the first file in the file subscription list (that is, the latest updated file), the second last file in the file subscription list, etc.
Now the EDIT command has been supported to automatically add the edited topic to the subscription list, and users can also turn this function on or off. The method is to set the %AUTOSUB% environment variable. When its value is any positive number (default is 1), EDIT will automatically add the file to the subscription list, otherwise it will not be added.
In addition, the TYPE and MORE commands now support resetting the <New> attribute of the post file, and the FIND command has also supported searching the content in the files (short messages) in the inbox and outbox (G: and H:).
Updated to version 3.8 official edition.
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『第 54 楼』:
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订阅和长帖抖动都OK了
新增的net stats简写形式也试过了
再次对你一直以来孜孜不倦的精神表示钦佩!
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现在出现一个新问题
用edit发表新主题时总是返回“服务器响应不正确。”
使用了edit .或者edit d:\23都是同样的结果
用Edit回复和编辑旧主题
在保存发送时也返回同样的提示
但回复确认已发出
Subscriptions and long post jitter are both okay.
The newly added net stats short form has also been tested.
Once again, I admire your tireless spirit all the time!
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Now a new problem has occurred.
When using edit to post a new topic, it always returns "Server response is incorrect."
Using edit. or edit d:\23 has the same result.
When replying and editing old topics with Edit, it also returns the same prompt when saving and sending.
But the reply is confirmed to have been sent.
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似乎与自动订阅有关
现关闭自动订阅后测试
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问题消失
再开启
编辑后再测试
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问题又出现
再关闭
编辑后再测试
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问题再次消失
It seems to be related to automatic subscription
After closing the automatic subscription, test
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The problem disappears
Then enable it
Edit and then test
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The problem occurs again
Then close it
Edit and then test
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The problem disappears again
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嗯,用edit发表新主题时的提示已修正。
Well, the prompt when publishing a new topic with edit has been corrected.
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EDIT编辑文件和自动订阅之间的问题的原因已查明,现在应该可以了,再试试看吧。
The cause of the problem between the EDIT editing file and automatic subscription has been identified, and it should be okay now. Try it again.
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自动订阅特性已基本测试完毕
未发现问题,恭喜!
The automatic subscription feature has been basically tested and no problems were found. Congratulations!
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『第 59 楼』:
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突然觉得Google的线索浏览方式挺使用
类似于创建和维护一个多人共有的私有主题
但现在要实现它又要大动
还是算了吧
……我一直苦苦推荐的wiki就是多人协同创建、维护、讨论的主题……
wiki 是未来论坛的趋势
Suddenly feel that Google's thread browsing method is quite useful
Similar to creating and maintaining a private topic shared by multiple people
But now to implement it, it needs to be changed a lot
Forget it
……I've been strongly recommending the wiki all the time, which is a topic created, maintained, and discussed by multiple people collaboratively...
Wiki is the trend of future forums
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我所说的Google线索浏览方式
是指Gmail中按主题管理邮件的思想
与协同维护的Wiki不是一回事
前者的亮点在于将邮件按照事件的连贯起来
后者的亮点在于阅读者同时也可以是编辑者
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邮件、论坛、Wiki、网志这些网络交流方式
目前来看还没有谁取代谁的趋势
因为它们设计思想的侧重点各有不同
技术上的优劣并不一定表明设计思想的优劣
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不过他们都会不断发展改进
互相之间的特性会不断融合变异
可能会形成一些新的交流方式
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已经跑题了
如果还有讨论请另开新帖吧
这里还是回到论坛命令行界面上来
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感觉目前的论坛命令行已经十分成熟
与GUI相比具有很多更优异、更独特的特性
比如以下这些特性
历史浏览——查看以往的输入/输出已经不需要回退了,上下滚动即可
输出定制——可以按照多种方式来定制和过滤输出的内容,冗余信息减少了
资源节约——Ajax的内核和Cmd的外壳有效的降低网络流量,节约服务器资源
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关于4.x的发展方向
1、基于telnet方式的实现
完全抛弃Web而投入真正的命令行
这意味着整个内核都需要做出大幅调整
技术复杂度应该很高
2、命令行管理功能的增强
诸如attrib/del/move/copy/deltree等具有管理权限的命令加入
当然这些只对管理员和版主等少数用户有用
用户过少导致开发成本与用户收益比例过大
3、本地环境的交互
能够将自身的输出定位到本地
并从本地获取必要的输入
这意味着可以实现离线收发和自动收发
当然现行网络和应用的现状对此项需求仍不够迫切
4、脚本的应用扩展
命令行的一大特色就是脚本的应用
如果能实现更多脚本并且由特定的事件来触发
则输入输出将更加自由和灵活
My Way of Browsing with Google Clues
Refers to the idea of managing emails by topics in Gmail
It's not the same as the collaborative maintenance Wiki
The highlight of the former is to connect emails according to events
The highlight of the latter is that readers can also be editors
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Email, forum, Wiki, blog and other network communication methods
At present, there is no trend of one replacing the other
Because the focus of their design ideas is different
The technical advantages and disadvantages do not necessarily indicate the advantages and disadvantages of the design ideas
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However, they will all continue to develop and improve
The characteristics of each other will continuously integrate and mutate
Some new communication methods may be formed
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Already off the topic
If there is still discussion, please start a new thread
Here we return to the forum command line interface
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It feels that the current forum command line is already very mature
Compared with GUI, it has many more excellent and unique characteristics
For example, the following characteristics
Historical browsing - To view previous inputs/outputs, you don't need to go back, just scroll up and down
Output customization - Can customize and filter output content in various ways, and redundant information is reduced
Resource saving - The Ajax kernel and Cmd shell effectively reduce network traffic and save server resources
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Regarding the development direction of version 4.x
1. Implementation based on telnet method
Completely abandon the Web and invest in the real command line
This means that the entire kernel needs to be adjusted significantly
The technical complexity should be very high
2. Enhancement of command line management functions
Commands with management authority such as attrib/del/move/copy/deltree are added
Of course, these are only useful for a few users such as administrators and moderators
Too few users lead to an excessive ratio of development cost to user benefit
3. Interaction of local environment
Can position its own output to the local
And obtain necessary input from the local
This means that offline sending and receiving and automatic sending and receiving can be realized
Of course, the current network and application status is still not urgent for this demand
4. Expansion of script application
One of the characteristics of the command line is the application of scripts
If more scripts can be realized and triggered by specific events
Then the input and output will be more free and flexible
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