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我也喜欢所谓的free类型的软件,斑竹能不能提供freedos 的下载地址,最好是源码下载,然后介绍一下编译工具的使用方法,最后做成可执行的OS。让大家练练手也好
I also like the so-called free-type software. Can the moderator provide the download address of FreeDOS, preferably the source code download, and then introduce the usage method of the compilation tool, and finally make an executable OS. Let everyone practice.
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『第 77 楼』:
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刚刚用自己写的DOLBA程序,把那个FREEDOS的软盘镜象解到软盘上
马上试用一下。
Just used the DOLBA program I wrote to extract the floppy image of FREEDOS to a floppy disk. Immediately going to test it.
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『第 78 楼』:
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其实关于1M内存限制仅仅是16位和32位的关系
16位环境下只有单任务环境,所以出现了TSR程序模拟多任务环境,但是它又受到!M内存的限制
32位环境下可以执行多任务所以根本不需要什么TSR程序,一个程序只要打开了你不关闭它就是驻留内存的。而且32位最高可以访问4G内存。
Actually, the 1M memory limit is just related to the relationship between 16-bit and 32-bit. In a 16-bit environment, there is only a single-task environment, so TSR programs simulate a multi-task environment, but it is restricted by the 1M memory. In a 32-bit environment, multi-tasking can be executed, so no TSR programs are needed at all. As long as you don't close a program after opening it, it remains resident in memory. And the 32-bit can access up to 4G memory at most.
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Kisswizan!!!
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Hengour in do inwi Wizan hin konde. kiss buss, Wizan iur iuoedien.
Sozan, Wizan bogoikie zenga iuangian diki, zozen finzy iuandama mafone qe bozonkue, iang qianen de winty zenzubukiung.
Kids, Wogo d ceniu iuen do ba ian'gan todo lo kida pinte zon, iugo Wizan mile, women iran k'i iung kida pinte.
Kisswizan!!! Z'io pa zeixe todo Migo kita lentan son, Wizan kenon hinka zo gonmer!!! ZoI: Io iong ngiu.
Kisswizan!!! Wizan gonmer ho, iga xn dnno sgie io hza i nen sgan ni janle qilei!!!
Let's go!!!
请翻译一下,并贴到微软支持中心(美国)里面.
亨古尔在做维赞的什么事。亲吻、拥抱,维赞处于激动状态。
所以赞,维赞以某种方式产生强烈的冲动,迅速冲向某个地方,进入某种紧张的情境。
孩子们,沃戈和塞纽恩做了让基达品特宗不愉快的事,于是维赞发怒了,我们得阻止基达品特。
亲吻维赞!!!这样就能让所有米戈基达伦坦安静下来,维赞就会知道该怎么做了!!!佐伊:我很生气。
亲吻维赞!!!维赞会去做,要是我不这样做,那我就会陷入麻烦之中!!!
出发吧!!!
需要说明的是,这段文本内容比较奇怪且不太符合常规可直接用于微软支持中心(美国)的专业表述,不过按照要求进行了字面翻译。
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DOS是有优势的
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DOS是有优势的,你随便拿一个带DOS三个文件(FREEDOS只两个)的光盘,软盘,U盘,只要你用的机器有光驱,软驱,或支持U盘启动,这个DOS都能运行起来,而WINDOWS却不行,因为WINDOWS什么都要驱动,说不定还要蓝屏、黑屏。
DOS我是喜欢的,LINUX我也喜欢,当然WINDOW也不差,只是各有长处,看你学到什么程度,用在哪个地方:一台机器装XP,密码忘了或你想破它的密码,怎办?用DOS好容易,当然现在的WIN32,WIN98,WINXPE,甚至LINUX都可以弄到基于DOS的光盘、U盘上,DOS才是这些系统维护盘的基础。
FREEDOS,今天在我这里发现了有用的一点:我威刚512的运行型U盘,JOGR型的,用各个软件装MSDOS都启动不了,启动时只有一个光标闪。但装上FREEDOS后却启动了,并且可以在这个U盘上用我的FANX(一种改装过的光盘版LINUX),真的爽,不过也发现了问题。我是头一次用FREEDOS,MSDOS从95年开始一直在用。我不知道FREEDOS跟MSDOS在批处理方面有何异同,好像那个config.sys也变成了fdconfig.sys吧,准备在网上查查相关资料,好好学习。
我认为有人说DOS不好,很烂的人通常计算机起步都较迟,DOS相对来说复杂些,要记的东西多,可以要成为别人眼中的高手或成为真正的高手,只有复杂的东西才能让人之间有差别。
DOS has its advantages. You can take any CD, floppy disk, or USB flash drive that has the three DOS files (Freedos only has two). As long as the machine you use has a CD drive, floppy drive, or supports USB flash drive booting, this DOS can run. But Windows can't, because Windows needs drivers for everything, and it might even have a blue screen or black screen.
I like DOS, and I also like Linux. Of course, Windows is not bad either. It's just that each has its own strengths, depending on how much you've learned and where you use it: If you forget the password of a machine with XP installed or you want to crack its password, what to do? It's very easy with DOS. Of course, now WIN32, WIN98, WINXPE, and even Linux can all be put on CDs or USB flash drives based on DOS. DOS is the foundation of these system maintenance disks.
Freedos, today I found a useful point here: My ADATA 512MB run-type USB flash drive, of the JOGR type. The various software installations of MSDOS can't boot it. Only a cursor flashes when booting. But after installing Freedos, it boots, and I can use my FANX (a modified CD version of Linux) on this USB flash drive. It's really cool, but I also found a problem. I'm using Freedos for the first time. I've been using MSDOS since 1995. I don't know the similarities and differences between Freedos and MSDOS in batch processing. It seems that the config.sys has also become fdconfig.sys. I'm going to check relevant information online and study hard.
I think that people who say DOS is bad and lousy usually started using computers relatively late. DOS is relatively more complex and has more things to remember. To be a master in others' eyes or a real master, only complex things can create differences among people.
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『第 82 楼』:
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我想,在日常应用中,图形操作系统还是比这种命令行操作系统方便快捷的,尽管它们对硬件资源的需求永无止境,但对比起使用时的方便直观,水平一般的人还是偏好使用图形操作系统的。
在命令行操作系统擅长的系统维护应用中,随着LIVE版的图形操作系统的出现(如WINPE),DOS的各种特色工具也渐渐有了图形版的替代工具,它们也更迎合人们日常操作习惯。
而且,FREEDOS甚至FREEDOS32这种“新DOS”其实并没有什么新的内容,只是跟在DOS/WIN32的后面亦步亦趋而已,这么多年了,UNICODE/长文件名/新文件系统等常用的、基本的功能都只能靠第三方程序实现,好象也没把网络功能集成,网页浏览太过依赖图形界面,多媒体太过依赖硬件驱动,就不说了。就系统维护来说吧,只说硬盘维护,也没见它们把现在流行的克隆、分区调整等功能做进FDISK中去。
总的来说,模仿/兼容才是FREEDOS的基调(其实人家也是这样说这样做的),所以我认为还是不要期望着真的有什么DOS的新时代出现了,除非有人有组织地进行这项工作,不过有了LINUX这类东东在,有多少技术人才沉得下心去把DOS/FREEDOS的各种缺陷一一弥补?或许“重新发明轮子”还更方便些吧。
PS:出于怀旧,这两天在VPC上装了个FREEDOS和UCDOS98,玩了两天,却发现一点实际的用处也没有,系统维护,我用WINPE工具盘(LIVE CD),日常办公用MS OFFICE,甚至记个事,也是用NOTEPAD更方便,个人数据管理用ACCESS,唉,对我来说,DOS也许真的只能怀念了。
I think that in daily applications, graphical operating systems are still more convenient and efficient than this command-line operating system. Although they have an insatiable demand for hardware resources, compared with the convenience and intuitiveness in use, people with average skills still prefer to use graphical operating systems.
In the system maintenance applications where command-line operating systems are good at, with the emergence of live version graphical operating systems (such as WINPE), various characteristic tools of DOS have gradually had graphical alternative tools, and they are more in line with people's daily operation habits.
Moreover, "new DOS" such as FREEDOS or even FREEDOS32 actually has nothing new. It just follows in the footsteps of DOS/WIN32. For so many years, common and basic functions such as UNICODE, long file names, and new file systems can only be realized by third-party programs. It seems that network functions are not integrated, web browsing is too dependent on the graphical interface, and multimedia is too dependent on hardware drivers, not to mention. As for system maintenance, just talk about hard disk maintenance, and there is no sign that they have integrated the currently popular cloning, partition adjustment and other functions into FDISK.
In general, imitation/compatibility is the keynote of FREEDOS (in fact, that's what they say and do). So I think there is no expectation of a real new era of DOS appearing. Unless someone organizes to do this work, but with things like LINUX around, how many technical talents can settle down to make up for the various defects of DOS/FREEDOS one by one? Maybe "re-inventing the wheel" is more convenient.
PS: Out of nostalgia, I installed FREEDOS and UCDOS98 on VPC these two days and played with them for two days, but found that there is no practical use at all. For system maintenance, I use WINPE tool disks (live CDs), for daily office work, I use MS OFFICE, even for taking notes, NOTEPAD is more convenient, and for personal data management, I use ACCESS. Hey, for me, DOS may really only be for nostalgia.
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『第 83 楼』:
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對於一般人來說 Shell確實好用 但是shell的致命弱點:慢 在我的機器上很明顯
Windows NT Explorer打開system32目錄很慢,但是command line下面很快就dir出來...
真正好用的還是cmdline或者是文字界面 我寫東西用edit或者OOo2.1 看網頁用wget+type或者lynx或者opera 都佷好用 輸入中文用新注音 聽音樂用mp3機器 聊天用GTalk/電話/短信 這些基本都用不到gui shell的,大部分是可以在cmdline下面做到的...基本用不到商業化的軟體
使用freedos辦公等其實是完全可行的
另外 dos的shell程序確實有些缺點.他在內核上不支持unicode 使中文等文字顯示成了大問題 還有 沒有驅動程式不知道是耗時還是壞事 確實通用性很好 但是大家面對16色的屏幕有沒有想吐的感覺?這麼難看的圖形 vesa模式當然很好 但是老顯示卡就不能用的.
聲音:pc揚聲器的效果實在不敢恭維 聲卡又要irq 端口 亂七八糟的東西 還要查技術文檔...
32bit保護模式很好 但是很多程式不支持的 不知道大家有沒有試過一些老的程式 還是640kb瓶頸...
當初bill gates 想的太好了 640kb is enough! 現在讓他用640kb內存!
所有的這些emm386 xmsmmgr都是治標不治本的程序
看來只有重寫內核了...期待asm高手出現 重寫內核...
重寫內核後的dos我相信是最好的os!
For the general public, the Shell is indeed easy to use, but the fatal weakness of the shell: slow. It is very obvious on my machine.
Windows NT Explorer is very slow to open the system32 directory, but it is very fast to dir under the command line...
The really easy-to-use ones are still the cmdline or text interface. I use edit or OOo2.1 to write things, use wget+type or lynx or opera to browse the web, all very easy to use. Use New Zhuyin to input Chinese, use an MP3 player to listen to music, use GTalk/phone/text message to chat. These basically don't need the GUI shell, most can be done under the cmdline... basically no commercial software is needed.
Using FreeDOS for office work and so on is actually completely feasible.
In addition, the DOS shell program does have some drawbacks. It does not support Unicode at the kernel level, which makes the display of Chinese and other characters a big problem. Also, not having drivers, I don't know if it is time-consuming or bad. It is indeed very universal, but does everyone have the feeling of wanting to vomit when facing the 16-color screen? Such ugly graphics. The VESA mode is of course very good, but it can't be used with old graphics cards.
Sound: The effect of the PC speaker is really not to be praised. The sound card also needs IRQ, port, messy things, and needs to check technical documents...
The 32-bit protected mode is very good, but many programs do not support it. I don't know if you have tried some old programs, or the 640kb bottleneck...
Back then, Bill Gates thought too well. 640kb is enough! Now let him use 640kb of memory!
All these emm386 xmsmmgr are symptomatic remedies.
It seems that only rewriting the kernel is the way. Looking forward to the appearance of ASM masters, rewriting the kernel...
I believe that the DOS after rewriting the kernel is the best OS!
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Originally posted by yiyesong at 2003-5-27 12:00 AM:
FREEDOS我没用过,不知道和MSDOS兼容性如何,没办法MS实在是影响力太大了,什么东西都得 ...
对,是这样的。真正的免费的,可能发展下去的可能性并不太,毕竟只是光靠着我自己的热情和执着是不够的。
Originally posted by yiyesong at 2003-5-27 12:00 AM:
I haven't used FREEDOS, so I don't know how compatible it is with MSDOS. After all, Microsoft has such a huge influence, everything has to...
Yes, that's right. The truly free ones may not have much chance of development in the long run. After all, relying solely on my own enthusiasm and perseverance is not enough.
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『第 86 楼』:
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随着freedos1.0的正式版的推出,应该使用它了,因为大家使用它才能发展它。
msdos早就不再开发了,它的限制只会越来越多。比如在我的320G硬盘上,它就不能起动自己了,不能作为起动的操作系统了,我是指系统安装在300G以上时。
With the official release of FreeDOS 1.0, it should be used because only when everyone uses it can it be developed.
MS-DOS has long stopped being developed, and its limitations will only increase. For example, on my 320G hard disk, it can't boot itself and can't be used as a boot operating system, I mean when the system is installed on a disk larger than 300G.
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『第 87 楼』:
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感觉FreeDOS1.0用起来还不是很方便
I feel that using FreeDOS 1.0 is not very convenient yet.
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