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在学校一台没装还原卡的机子上用PQ分区,结果执行之后再重启还是老样子,望有人能详细指出电脑上到底做了什么手脚。另外,机子上有两个分区C,D,但是无论是正常WINDOWS模式还是WINPE都无法打开D盘,显示拒绝访问,但分区软件中明明有这个分区,是正常的,求教这两种现象的原理。
On a school computer without a restore card, I used PQ to partition. But after execution and restarting, it was still the same as before. I hope someone can detail what was done to the computer. Also, there are two partitions C and D on the computer. But whether in normal WINDOWS mode or WINPE, I can't open drive D, showing access denied. But the partition software clearly has this partition and it's normal. Please explain the principles of these two phenomena.
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没装还原卡,是否装了还原软件呢?你的分区过程是否报错了呢?
看看D盘是否有坏道?或者分区表出错?或者NTFS分区设置了权限?
另,不知楼主的问题和DOS有什么关系?
No installed restore card, did you install restore software? Did your partitioning process report an error?
Check if there is a bad sector on drive D? Or partition table error? Or NTFS partition permissions set?
Also, I don't know how the owner's problem is related to DOS?
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抱歉,我只是觉得DOS软件的使用问题应该也归于DOS吧。
Sorry, I just think that the usage issues of DOS software should also fall under DOS.
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是不是装有象方正ABS一类的软件隐藏了分区?
Is it that software like Founder ABS has hidden partitions?
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很有可能是PQ的致命BUG导致的,强烈建议不要使用PQ,因为PQ建的分区和很多分区软件建的格式不同,存在致命的缺陷。
It is very likely caused by a fatal bug of PQ. It is strongly recommended not to use PQ because the partitions created by PQ are different in format from those created by many partition software, and there are fatal defects.
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没有你说的那么严重吧?我一直用PQ给硬盘分区很多年了,倒没发现它分的区有什么严重bug。只是发现,有些不规范的分区,在PQ下会显示Error 106,然后就无法分区,但用其它的分区软件却又没有问题。这只能说明它对分区表要求比较严格。
Isn't it that serious as you said? I've been using PQ to partition hard drives for many years, and I haven't found any serious bugs in the partitions it creates. I just found that for some non - standard partitions, Error 106 will be displayed in PQ, and then partitioning can't be done, but there's no problem with other partitioning software. This can only show that it has relatively strict requirements for the partition table.
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Originally posted by Climbing at 2008-12-17 22:22:
没有你说的那么严重吧?我一直用PQ给硬盘分区很多年了,倒没发现它分的区有什么严重bug。只是发现,有些不规范的分区,在PQ下会显示Error 106,然后 ...
那不是分区不规范,而是PQ对>8G的分区项识别有误,PQ有两大BUG:
1、>8G的分区项、8G后面的分区项,分区软件会在原来的结束CHS填上FFFFFEH等特定值(8G之后的分区开始CHS也是填一个固定值,具体数值不太记得了,如果这个值被改掉也会造成类似逻辑锁),直接使用后面的字段来定位,PQ对此不识别,老是把别人正确的改成错的。(原先我还以为是别的分区软件的问题,后经对比分析,问题就出在PQ上)
***采用原来的CHS字段,总共3+3字节,也就是说最多只能表示<8G的分区大小及8G之前的分区位置,如今对于>8G的及8G之后的分区,是直接用后面的4+4字节表示分区位置和大小,4字节最大表示2T,目前的分区表项只能用于2T之前和<2T的分区,所以win和linux才不约而同滴采用新的GPT分区架构,而这种架构是无法被DOS识别的!***
2、PQ自作聪明滴使用非整数倍条磁道来划分分区,而通常的分区软件使用磁道为单位来划分分区,所以PQ划分的分区存在造成后面分区丢失的风险,并且丢失后用DISKGEN也很难恢复。
***PQ对多主分区的识别能力也不是很好。
PS:你可以用DiakPart分区,看看8G以上分区及8G以后的分区的分区表项,就会发现其实PQ是把别人正确的改错了。<img src="images/smilies/face-smile-big.png" align="absmiddle" border="0">
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Originally posted by Climbing at 2008-12-17 22:22:
Isn't it that serious? I've been using PQ to partition hard drives for many years, and I haven't found any serious bugs in the partitions it creates. Just found that for some non-standard partitions, PQ will display Error 106, and then...
That's not because the partitions are non-standard, but because PQ has a misrecognition of partition entries larger than 8G. There are two major bugs in PQ:
1. For partition entries larger than 8G and the partition entries after 8G, the partition software will fill specific values like FFFFFEH in the original end CHS (the start CHS after 8G is also filled with a fixed value, I don't quite remember the specific number. If this value is changed, it can also cause a similar logical lock). It directly uses the subsequent fields to locate, but PQ doesn't recognize this and always changes others' correct ones to wrong ones. (Originally I thought it was a problem with other partition software, but after comparison and analysis, the problem is with PQ)
***Using the original CHS fields, a total of 3+3 bytes, that is, it can only represent partition sizes less than 8G and the positions of partitions before 8G. Now, for partitions larger than 8G and after 8G, the partition position and size are directly represented by the subsequent 4+4 bytes. The 4-byte maximum can represent 2T. The current partition table entries can only be used for partitions before 2T and less than 2T. So Windows and Linux have all adopted the new GPT partition architecture不约而同滴, and this architecture cannot be recognized by DOS!***
2. PQ cleverly uses non-integer multiple tracks to divide partitions, while ordinary partition software uses tracks as units to divide partitions. So the partitions divided by PQ have a risk of causing the subsequent partitions to be lost, and it is very difficult to recover with DISKGEN after being lost.
***PQ's ability to recognize multiple primary partitions is also not very good.
PS: You can use DiakPart to partition, and look at the partition table entries of partitions larger than 8G and after 8G, and you will find that in fact PQ changes others' correct ones to wrong ones. :D
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楼上那个说的有理有据。
只是个人一直只用pq,且一般都有两个主分区,用于安装独立的两种版本的系统。没出现过意外。
What the person above said is well-founded.
Just personally, I've always only used PQ, and generally there are two primary partitions, used to install two independent versions of the system. There have been no accidents.
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看不懂netwinxp的解释和说明,还是不理解。
I can't understand the explanation and description of netwinxp, still don't get it.
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netwinxp说得不错,pq的确会自作主张改错分区表。
不过我还发现,windows的磁盘管理器也经常用非整数倍条磁道来划分分区。
在磁盘管理器中也遇到过新建或删除一个逻辑分区导致后面分区丢失的情况。
netwinxp said it well, PQ does indeed arbitrarily correct the partition table.
But I also found that Windows Disk Management often divides partitions with non-integer multiple tracks.
I have also encountered situations where creating or deleting a logical partition in Disk Management causes subsequent partitions to be lost.
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那么什么样的分区软件是最好的呢?
So what kind of partition software is the best?
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我只是觉得pq的操作很方便,比DISKGEN要舒服的多。
另外,分区时没有出现任何错误提示,但重启之后还是老样子,什么都没变。
另外,我用FDISK /MBR,重启之后再分区(还是pq)也没有效果。
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I just think that the operation of PQ is very convenient, much more comfortable than DISKGEN.
In addition, no error messages appeared during partitioning, but after restarting, it is still the same as before, nothing has changed.
In addition, I used FDISK /MBR, after restarting and then partitioning (still PQ), it still has no effect.
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那为什么我这么多年后,包括现在,我还在用PQ分区,包括320G的硬盘,为什么没有出问题呢?而且,PQ分的区用别的分区软件查看也没有什么问题,当然更包括NT的磁盘管理器,而且,一般情况下,我肯定是会分多个主分区出来的(至少是两个主分区再加一个扩展分区)。
我当然也用过很多的分区软件,但感觉在操作的舒服性和安全性上,PQ是最好的,当然,Acronis的Disk Director Suite也不错,但还是有缺陷。
还有,既然PQ有严重的bug,磁盘管理器分区也有问题,那应该有什么来分区呢?前提当然是无损数据分区。
Then why do I still use PQ partition after so many years, including now, even for a 320G hard drive, why is there no problem? And the partitions divided by PQ also have no problems when viewed by other partition software, and of course including NT's disk manager. And generally, I will definitely divide out multiple primary partitions (at least two primary partitions plus an extended partition).
I have of course also used many partition software, but I feel that in terms of operation comfort and safety, PQ is the best. Of course, Acronis's Disk Director Suite is also good, but there are still defects.
Also, since PQ has serious bugs and disk manager partitioning also has problems, then what should be used for partitioning? The premise, of course, is to partition without losing data.
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我也是觉得pq用起来比较顺手和舒服。其它的都是只试过就放弃了。
I also think that PQ is relatively easy to use and comfortable. The others are just tried and then given up.
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Originally posted by Climbing at 2008-12-21 04:50 PM:
那为什么我这么多年后,包括现在,我还在用PQ分区,包括320G的硬盘,为什么没有出问题呢?而且,PQ分的区用别的分区软件查看也没有什么问题,当 ...
我现在一般用paragon的partition manager以及gparted,前面这个不用说了,大家都知道。Gparted是ubuntu光盘自带的,linux下最常用的分区软件,免费的。
acronis基本没用过,故无法评论。
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Originally posted by Climbing at 2008-12-21 04:50 PM:
Then why do I still use PQ to partition after so many years, including now? Even with a 320G hard drive, why hasn't there been a problem? Also, the partitions divided by PQ have no problems when viewed with other partition software, when...
Now I generally use Paragon's Partition Manager and GParted. The former needs no introduction, everyone knows it. GParted is included in the Ubuntu CD, the most commonly used partition software under Linux, and it's free.
I have hardly used Acronis, so I can't comment.
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