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Wengier以及你的追随着:
你们好!
对于你们在DOS的卓越才能,小弟佩服的五体投地,可是说真的,你们在这方面的能力仅仅也是局限于把人家的东西拿来改改,或者东拼西凑,全都是舶来品,全都不是原滋原味的自主产品,Wengier好像你现在身在国外,对于你来说,舶来品就更容易了。
中国缺少完全自主的操作系统,安全隐患存在很大漏洞,我建议Wengier及其追随着应该像unix一样的使其得到扩展,而不是靠借助别人的程序来完成所谓的多功能维护光盘,这样的意义很狭隘。
言语如果伤害到以上朋友,见谅,小弟实话实说,因为看见那么多人还沉迷于这种看似很有意义的DOS维护光盘中。
维护光盘是对高手用的,需要那么多功能吗,我想你们自己都很少用到吧,只不过用来壮大光盘而已。
你们用的软件还不都是一些国外的软件,比如那个PE Builder、ERD Commander之类的软件,我想这个和Wengier在国外待过有关系,国外这方面的信息比我们丰富。
Wengier及其追随者,如果你们真的是高手,请思考一下如何开发自己的操作系统吧,如果不是,就不要在夸夸其谈的卖弄所谓的技术了,DOS时代虽然还没有完全消失,但操作系统也要与时具进,不要总是停留在原地回味了。
曾经我也以为DOS不可一世,到后来还不是被视窗操作系统给取代了,现在DOS的存活也只是一个过程,一但有更先进的技术成熟被应用,那DOS就真的成为古董了。
曾经在DOS下为了某种型号的打印机没命的写驱动程序,到后来视窗时代,一切都是那么简单了。
曾经在DOS下为了实现一个图形代码,写了那么多的代码来实现简单的颜色就兴奋不已,到了视窗时代才发觉原来是那么容易。
曾经在DOS下的辛酸历历在目,想说DOS:爱你不容易!
希望所有看帖的朋友发表一下你们的看法,各抒己见,旁征博引。
谢谢!!!
Wengier and your followers:
Hello!
I admire you deeply for your remarkable talents in DOS. But to be honest, your abilities in this area are only limited to modifying others' work or piecing things together, all of which are borrowed products, not original and self-developed ones. It seems that Wengier is now abroad, so for you, it's even easier to use borrowed things.
China lacks a completely self-developed operating system, and there are significant security loopholes. I suggest that Wengier and his followers should expand it like Unix, instead of relying on others' programs to complete the so-called multi-functional maintenance CD, which is very narrow in meaning.
I apologize if my words have hurt the above friends. I'm just speaking the truth because I see so many people still addicted to this seemingly meaningful DOS maintenance CD.
Maintenance CDs are for experts. Do you need so many functions? I think you rarely use them yourself, but just use them to make the CD look bigger.
The software you use are all foreign software, such as that PE Builder, ERD Commander and so on. I think this is related to Wengier having stayed abroad. Foreign information in this regard is richer than ours.
Wengier and your followers, if you are really experts, please think about how to develop your own operating system. If not, don't show off your so-called technology grandly. Although the DOS era hasn't completely disappeared, operating systems should also keep up with the times. Don't always stay in place and reminisce.
Once I also thought that DOS was unbeatable, but later it was replaced by the Windows operating system. Now the survival of DOS is just a process. Once more advanced technologies are mature and applied, then DOS will really become an antique.
Once I desperately wrote drivers for a certain model of printer under DOS, and later in the Windows era, everything was so simple.
Once I was so excited to write so many codes to achieve simple colors to realize a graphic code under DOS, and only then did I realize it was so easy in the Windows era.
The hardships under DOS are still fresh in my memory. I want to say to DOS: Loving you is not easy!
I hope all friends who read this post will express their opinions, give their own views and quote extensively.
Thank you!!!
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dos之所以还有生命力是因为它还有用
而且它还在不断支持新技术
没人说非要用dos不可,还不是因为它方便好用
搜集各种工具,只是为了更好地使用
自己开发操作系统?
开发出来谁用?
自娱自乐?
不是为了dos而dos,而是为了解决实际问题而dos
The reason why DOS still has vitality is that it is still useful.
And it is continuously supporting new technologies.
No one says that one has to use DOS. It's just because it's convenient and easy to use.
Collecting various tools is just to use them better.
Develop one's own operating system?
Who will use it when developed?
For self-entertainment?
It's not for DOS's sake, but for solving practical problems with DOS.
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llm,你误会我的意思了,我的意思是想说,我们应该有自己的操作系统,而不是靠东拼西凑起来的所谓的昔日辉煌。
一套自主开发的系统以为着在安全上你比别人知道的更多。
不是为了自娱自乐,是为了操作系统领域有更多的新鲜血液。
我没有说过要将DOS现在就全部放弃,那只是时间问题。
对于一个拥有精英的大国来说,永远都用别人的操作系统,是不是有点那个?
永远沉迷在DOS时代的人,应该在学术上很难有进步。
毕竟知识是在更新,与时具进!!
llm, you misunderstood my meaning. I mean, we should have our own operating system instead of relying on the so-called past glories pieced together. A self-developed system means you know more about security than others. It's not for self-entertainment, but to have more fresh blood in the operating system field. I didn't say to abandon DOS completely now; that's just a matter of time. For a great power with elites, always using others' operating systems, isn't that a bit...? Those who are always addicted to the DOS era should have difficulty making progress academically. After all, knowledge is updating, and we should keep up with the times!
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dos888:
在我的眼里现在的dos是一颗枯枝上的新芽,dos的许多特性是xp之类无法替代的,dos是一个学习应用再深入学习进一步应用的好平台,两者之间的关系像画家的画笔与数码相机的区别。使用dos并不是把人家的东西拿来改改,或者东拼西凑。
十亿人口的中国一定会有自己的操作系统,不管是谁写的绝对不是一时冲动的结果,既然你比别人都爱国为什么不先写一个中国完全自主的操作系统。说句实在话阁下这种人无论在何时。都只能误国,最好先想好,自己做了什么?自己能作什么?自己该怎样做?然后再指手画脚,你可以称论坛成员为Wengier以及追随着,那阁下在坛子里是什么东西?
dos888:
In my eyes, current DOS is like a new bud on a withered branch. Many characteristics of DOS are irreplaceable by systems like XP. DOS is a good platform for learning, applying, and then delving deeper and applying further. The relationship between the two is like the difference between an artist's brush and a digital camera. Using DOS is not about just modifying someone else's things or piecing things together randomly.
A country with a population of one billion will definitely have its own operating system. No matter who writes it, it will not be the result of a momentary impulse. Since you claim to love the country more than others, why don't you first write a completely self - owned operating system in China? To be honest, people like you can only harm the country at any time. You'd better first figure out what you have done, what you can do, and how you should do it before giving advice. You can call forum members Wengier and their followers, but what are you in the forum?
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所谓“自己的操作系统”,你认为中国没有吗?
很多很多,只是没有这种通用的
而任何人你想随随便便就出一个替代品是不可能的
lindows想要兼容都那么难
国产操作系统,即便弄出来了,你用么?
你先放弃office,用wps,然后再谈国产os
安全?只要不是你开发的,你还谈什么安全
用别人的操作系统怎么了
工业标准很多都是别人的,你都不要用?
说了半天看不出你说的和dos有什么关系
放着有用的不去用
什么是进步?听过一句话么:新买了一条旧裤子
The so-called "own operating system", do you think China doesn't have it? There are many, many, just not this kind of universal one. And it's impossible for anyone to casually come up with a substitute. lindows wants to be compatible and it's so difficult. For domestic operating systems, even if they are developed, will you use them? You first give up office and use WPS, and then talk about domestic OS. Security? As long as it's not developed by you, what else can you talk about regarding security? What's wrong with using someone else's operating system? Many industrial standards are someone else's, do you not want to use them all? After talking for a long time, I can't see how what you said has to do with DOS. Let go of the useful things and not use them. What is progress? Have you heard a sentence? Bought a new pair of old pants
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dos888这家伙怎么溜了?到底是留言还是遗言?
Why did dos888 leave like this? Is it a message or a last words?
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楼主说自己的想法,也没有什么不对的,楼上的这么说未免不好吧
不过楼主要明白,每个人追求的东西不一样,想要的也不一样,不要按照自己的看法去看别人,这样是否更公正一些?
还有,就算是做的东西(起动盘之类的)你不需要,但是说别人“卖弄所谓的技术”未免有些过吧,至少W做了些对别人有用的东西,请问楼主做了些什么?就算你做了很不错的成就,你也一样不该这样说别人吧
也许你是想提一些意见,但是请注意自己的言辞!!!
不过我承认我同意你的某些观点,现在所做的事情是有些用处不大,但是这也只能说是我自己的观点
正好借这个机会我也说说我自己的观点,现在搞的这些东西(起动盘之类的东西)作用是不大,但是实际情况是我们的水平也做不了太多,但是我希望我们能向某个目标发展,而现在看起来是有些盲目,不过楼主所说的做一个自己的系统,我认为是好高鹜远。
看来今天我是要把大家都给得罪光了
The owner's own ideas are not wrong in any way. It's not good for the person upstairs to say that like that.
But the owner should understand that everyone pursues different things and wants different things. Isn't it more fair not to judge others according to your own views?
Also, even if the things made (like boot disks, etc.) you don't need, it's a bit excessive to say that others "show off so-called technology". At least W has made some things useful to others. May I ask what the owner has done? Even if you have made very good achievements, you shouldn't say that about others like that.
Maybe you want to put forward some opinions, but please pay attention to your words!!!
But I admit that I agree with some of your views. The things being done now are of little use, but this can only be said to be my own view.
Just take this opportunity to also state my own view. The functions of these things being done now (like boot disks, etc.) are not great, but the actual situation is that our level can't do too much. But I hope we can develop towards a certain goal. And now it seems a bit aimless. But the owner's saying of making a system of his own, I think it's being overambitious.
It seems that today I'm going to offend everyone.
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lane:
我在六楼的帖子是重了些,不过,我并不改变对dos888此人的评价,想获得别人的尊重首先应尊重别人,尤其是尊重别人的劳动成果。我自认我的技术水平并不高,但是很想和此人切磋一下人生观计算机技术。看看他有没有资格评价别人!
水区头像的笑话勿怪。不过,看了你的头像还是想笑,恭喜你得头安然归位。
lane:
I think the post on the sixth floor was a bit excessive, but I won't change my evaluation of the person named dos888. To gain the respect of others, one should first respect others, especially the labor achievements of others. I admit my technical level isn't high, but I really want to have a discussion with this person about outlook on life and computer technology. Let's see if he is qualified to evaluate others!
The joke about the avatar in the water area, please don't take it to heart. However, looking at your avatar still makes me want to laugh. Congratulations on having your avatar back safely.
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tdj的情绪蛮激动的嘛,只是讨论而已,不用那么激动。
请各位留言,说说自己对DOS的感受,不用情绪化。
tdj is quite emotional. It's just a discussion, no need to be so excited.
Please leave a message and share your feelings about DOS, without emotions.
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分明是两个问题,自主os和还用不用dos
开发自主通用os和用dos哪个也不是必须的
前者在本论坛没有实际意义
后者全凭自愿,认为dos尚有用处的才会来本论坛,对不?
btw:斑竹到底是不是mm?
There are clearly two questions: independent OS and whether to still use DOS. Developing an independent general-purpose OS and using DOS, neither is a must. The former has no practical significance in this forum. The latter is entirely voluntary. Those who think DOS is still useful will come to this forum, right?
btw: Is the moderator a girl?
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to dos888:
其实,并不能怪我的情绪激动,是你把自己放到了论坛成员的对立面。既然你说是讨论,我现在并不想旁征博引,只想以“Wengier 追随者”的身份继续和你“讨论”
“你们在这方面的能力仅仅也是局限于国外,对于你来说,舶来品就更容易了。中国缺少完全自主的操作系统,安全隐患存在很大漏洞”首先我想知道的是阁下计算机的CPU是什么型号的“中国芯”还是和我一样用的是舶来品,我并不以此自豪,在现有的情况下,按阁下的建议是不是应该大力发展中国的算盘?
“Wengier及其追随者,如果你们真的是高手,请思考一下如何开发自己的操作系统吧”阁下对“自主的操作系统”的理解是什么?要求是什么?我先想听一听高论。
to dos888:
Actually, I can't be blamed for getting excited. It's you who have placed yourself on the opposite side of the forum members. Since you said it's a discussion, I don't want to cite extensive references now. I just want to continue the "discussion" with you as an "Follower of Wengier".
"Your abilities in this regard are only limited to foreign countries. For you, foreign goods are easier. China lacks a completely independent operating system, and there are huge vulnerabilities in terms of security risks." First of all, I want to know what model of "homegrown chip" the CPU of your computer is. Is it like mine, using a foreign product? I don't take pride in this. Under the existing circumstances, according to your suggestion, should we vigorously develop China's abacus?
"If you, Wengier and your followers, are really experts, please think about how to develop your own operating system." What is your understanding of "independent operating system"? What are the requirements? I want to hear your grand ideas first.
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dos888来过吗?我正在急切的盼望您列宁似的指导!!
Has dos888 been here? I'm eagerly looking forward to your Lenin-like guidance!!
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请问dos888来过吗?是换马甲了还是参加海军潜艇部队了?
May I ask if dos888 has been here? Did they change their username or join the navy submarine force?
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tdj:
呵呵,你蛮幽默的嘛(你才穿马甲,我要工作呀,不能总是在上面泡呀)
所谓一个个体来说,现在对操作系统的选择是多元的,可是对于一个国家来说,操作系统的多元化显得有些危险吧。
我们已经有了自己自主开发的CPU,同样也应该有自己的os,如果算盘能通电的话,我想你的建议可以考虑的。:)
我对自主操作系统的概念是:核心设计应该是由自己的技术员开发的,而不是借用或者修改别人的,毕竟核心部分是重要的,第一手的资料,比总是向别人咨询强吧,难道要一直等别人的补丁???
tdj:
Hehe, you are quite humorous. (You are the one wearing a disguise, I need to work, can't always be hanging out here)
For an individual, the choice of operating system is now diverse, but for a country, the diversification of the operating system seems a bit dangerous.
We already have our own independently developed CPU, and we should also have our own OS. If an abacus could be powered on, I think your suggestion could be considered. :)
My concept of an independent operating system is: the core design should be developed by our own technicians, not borrowed or modified from others. After all, the core part is important. First-hand information is better than always consulting others. Do we want to wait for others' patches all the time???
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真逗,自主开发的cpu当然用的是自主开发的os(或公开源代码的)
你认为龙芯和众志能跑xp吗?
众志就是我们这程老大带领的队伍做的,你可以问问他
Really funny. The self-developed CPU naturally uses a self-developed OS (or one with open source code). Do you think Loongson and Zhongzhi can run XP? Zhongzhi is the team led by our boss Cheng. You can ask him.
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