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到底哪些用户有评分权限?
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我刚注册的那阵子,好象银牌用户都没有评分权限的,最近在解答室回复一个新手的帖子的时候,不知是谁给楼主扣掉了10多分,使得楼主的积分为负,不能再发新帖,后来又被加为正分,导致楼主认为是我做的手脚(因为在那个帖子回复ID中,只有我的ID是版主级别,真的很郁闷),甚至质疑论坛的讨论气氛。
不清楚现在究竟哪些用户具有评分权限,请知道的说一下。
During the period when I just registered, it seemed that silver users didn't have the rating authority. Recently, when replying to a newbie's post in the Q&A room, someone deducted more than 10 points from the poster, making the poster's points negative and unable to post new threads. Later, the points were increased to positive, causing the poster to think I did it (because among the reply IDs in that post, only my ID was a moderator level, really depressed). Even questioning the discussion atmosphere of the forum.
I don't know which users currently have the rating authority. Please let me know if you know.
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这个还不知道,这要问站长了。
我记得我级别比较低的时候也能评分的,但忘记是什么级别了。
I don't know this yet. You need to ask the webmaster about it.
I remember that when I had a relatively low level, I could also rate, but I forgot what level it was.
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我的级别可以 -8 和 + 10,每天不能超过30分。
建议可以将用户的 减分 功能去除,只拥有加分的功能~:)
这样可以更好的激励会员踊跃发言和争着为有问题的新用户解决问题,给论坛优质循环灌入更多血液~:)
减分 的功能可以取而代之以:投诉功能
如发现广告贴,可以点击投诉,这样系统会短信通知版主哪些用户被投诉和哪些人投诉了,可避免发生恶作剧和其它非法原因。
为避免版主遇到的所述问题,可以将系统 减分 功能标准设定为:
谁扣的分,就显示是谁扣的分,这样就没有人敢乱扣分和恶意扣分。
同时,谁扣了谁的分,在系统消息中应提示给管理员和版主(即扣分记录是可查的)。
如发现被扣分的是冤枉的,则去掉被扣分用户,同时警告和扣掉扣分者的分以示惩罚~:)
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My level can be -8 and +10, and no more than 30 points per day.
It is suggested to remove the "deduct points" function for users and only have the add points function~:)
In this way, it can better motivate members to speak actively and compete to solve problems for new users with questions, and inject more fresh blood into the high-quality cycle of the forum~:)
The "deduct points" function can be replaced by a "report" function.
If an advertisement post is found, you can click "report", and then the system will send text messages to the moderators about which users are reported and who reported them, which can avoid pranks and other illegal reasons.
To avoid the problems mentioned above that moderators encounter, the system's "deduct points" function standard can be set as:
Whoever deducts the points will be shown as who deducts the points, so no one dares to deduct points randomly and maliciously.
At the same time, who deducts points from whom should be prompted to the administrator and moderators in the system message (that is, the deduction record is traceable).
If it is found that the user who is deducted points is wronged, the wronged user is removed, and at the same time, the person who deducted points is warned and deducted points as punishment~:)
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从新手上路开始都有评分权限,比如:
新手上路:
每次最大评价分数:1
每天最大评价分数:2
初级用户:
每次最大评价分数:2
每天最大评价分数:5
中级用户:
每次最大评价分数:4
每天最大评价分数:10
高级用户:
每次最大评价分数:8
每天最大评价分数:20
等等。不过由于不能直接设为只加分而不减分,所以我已将“贫困用户”改为可以发帖,而“社区乞丐”则不行。
扣分记录的确可以在后台查到,不过一般用户可能不能直接看到。
From the start of being a new user, there are rating permissions, for example:
New User:
Maximum score per evaluation: 1
Maximum score per day: 2
Junior User:
Maximum score per evaluation: 2
Maximum score per day: 5
Intermediate User:
Maximum score per evaluation: 4
Maximum score per day: 10
Advanced User:
Maximum score per evaluation: 8
Maximum score per day: 20
And so on. But since it's not possible to directly set it to only add points without subtracting points, I have changed "Poor User" to be able to post, while "Community Beggar" cannot.
Deduction records can indeed be checked in the background, but general users may not be able to see them directly.
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redtek在3F的建议非常好,正如 willsort 以前说过的那样:权不可不用亦不可滥用,我觉得应该限制一般用户的评分权限,至少是取消一般用户的减分权限,原因redtek已经说得很清楚了;若只取消减分功能有困难,可以考虑把评分权限收归版主及其之上级别的用户组。另外,谁评的分就应该在前台显示谁的ID,以约束随意评分行为,以免评分有失公平。
redtek's suggestion in 3F is very good. Just as willsort said before: power should not be unused nor misused. I think the rating authority of general users should be restricted. At least the minus rating authority of general users should be canceled. The reason redtek has made it very clear. If it is difficult to only cancel the minus function, we can consider taking the rating authority back to the user groups at the level of moderators and above. In addition, the ID of the person who rated should be displayed on the front desk to restrict random rating behaviors and avoid unfair ratings.
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Originally posted by namejm at 2006-11-11 07:39 AM:
redtek在3F的建议非常好,正如 willsort 以前说过的那样:权不可不用亦不可滥用,我觉得应该限制一般用户的评分权限,至少是取消一般用户的减分权限,原因redtek已经说得很清楚了;若只取消减分功能有困难,可以考虑把评分权限收归版主及其之上级别的用户组。另外,谁评的分就应该在前台显示谁的ID,以约束随意评分行为,以免评分有失公平。
我刚才已给论坛加上了在帖子后面显示评分人和分数的插件,这样评分应该都可以看到了吧。如果还需要限制一般用户的评分权限的话,我想如果改成高级用户以上才能评分的话可能更好些。
Originally posted by namejm at 2006-11-11 07:39 AM:
The suggestion from redtek in 3F is very good. Just as willsort said before: power should not be unused nor abused. I think the rating rights of general users should be restricted. At least the negative rating rights of general users should be canceled. The reason has been clearly stated by redtek. If it is difficult to only cancel the negative rating function, we can consider taking back the rating rights to user groups at or above the moderator level. In addition, the ID of the person who rated should be displayed on the front end to restrict random rating behaviors and avoid unfair ratings.
I just added a plugin to the forum to display the rater and the score after the post. So now the ratings should all be visible. If there is a need to restrict the rating rights of general users, I think it might be better to change it so that only users with senior privileges and above can rate.
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我每次可以给一个贴子+37分或-33分。我常扣别人(99.9999999999127%是发广告者的)的分!看来引起公愤了,嘿嘿,下次不敢了(主要是发现会有作案记录)!!
I can add +37 points or -33 points to a post each time. I often deduct points from others (99.9999999999127% are spammers)! It seems I've aroused public anger, heh heh, won't dare next time (mainly because I found out there will be an action record)!!
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对评分提示的含义有所不明白
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终于开放了评分记录在前台显示的功能,确实要方便了许多。
但是有些地方的意思还不太清楚,请看下面的截图: 【评分者】这一栏的分数到底是给操作者加分,还是什么别的意思。对比一下两个图的结果,我认为是给操作者加上相应的正分。如果是无论给对方加分还是减分,都给操作者增加相应的正分的话,虽然能起到激发会员参与评分的热情,但是也很容易导致以挣分为目的的评分行为的发生——但愿不是我所说的这种情况。
Finally, the function of displaying scoring records on the front desk is enabled, which is indeed much more convenient.
But there are still some places whose meanings are not very clear. Please look at the following screenshots: What exactly does the score in the column mean, is it to add points to the operator or something else. By comparing the results of the two pictures, I think it is to add the corresponding positive points to the operator. If whether adding points or subtracting points to the other party, it adds the corresponding positive points to the operator, although it can stimulate the enthusiasm of members to participate in scoring, but it is also very easy to lead to the occurrence of scoring behaviors aimed at earning points - I hope it is not the situation I described.
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哇噻~~以后可不能得罪雨露啊,不然会破产~:)
Wengier的动作真快~:)
Wow, you can't mess with Yulu in the future, otherwise you'll go bankrupt~ : )
Wengier's action is really fast~ : )
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如果防止故意或是有意的挣分行为,也可以按照某个级别的用户组才可以评分的方式~:)
If you want to prevent intentional or purposeful point - earning behavior, you can also adopt a way that only users of a certain user group can rate~:)
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个人感觉这样改不好,还是以前的手势好一点,因为这些评分影响了阅读贴子!
建议不要直接显示在贴子上!
Personally, I don't think this change is good. The previous gesture was better because these ratings affect reading the post! It is suggested not to display them directly on the post!
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Originally posted by 雨露 at 2006-11-11 22:55:
我每次可以给一个贴子+37分或-33分。我常扣别人(99.9999999999127%是发广告者的)的分!看来引起公愤了,嘿嘿,下次不敢了(主要是发现会有作案记录)!!
呵呵,雨露把我的意思理解偏了——实际上,在清除广告帖方面,你的操作给论坛的浏览和管理带来了很大的方便,论坛也需要像你这样对广告帖说NO的人啊,越多越好呢。
Originally posted by Yulu at 2006-11-11 22:55:
I can add +37 points or -33 points to a post each time. I often deduct points from others (99.9999999999127% are those who post advertisements)! It seems to have caused public outrage, heh heh, I won't dare next time (mainly because I found out there will be operation records)!!
Hehe, Yulu has misinterpreted my meaning - actually, in terms of clearing advertisement posts, your operations have brought great convenience to the forum's browsing and management. The forum needs people like you who say NO to advertisement posts, the more the better.
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Originally posted by namejm at 2006-11-11 09:56 AM:
终于开放了评分记录在前台显示的功能,确实要方便了许多。
但是有些地方的意思还不太清楚,请看下面的截图:【评分者】这一栏的分数到底是给操作者加分,还是什么别的意思。对比一下两个图的结果,我认为是给操作者加上相应的正分。如果是无论给对方加分还是减分,都给操作者增加相应的正分的话,虽然能起到激发会员参与评分的热情,但是也很容易导致以挣分为目的的评分行为的发生——但愿不是我所说的这种情况。
评分是不会给操作者加上正分的。上面的第二个图的操作者后之所以会显示为正分,是因为之前的具体评分操作时论坛多只记录了所加/减的分数的绝对值,而没有记录符号(比如-5和+5的绝对值都为5;不过总分则正确记录)。而从现在开始的具体评分操作则绝对值和符号都应该能正确记录下来了。
Originally posted by namejm at 2006-11-11 09:56 AM:
Finally, the function of displaying the scoring records on the front desk has been enabled, which is indeed much more convenient.
But the meaning in some places is still not very clear. Please see the following screenshots: What exactly does the score in the column mean, is it to add points to the operator, or something else. By comparing the results of the two pictures, I think it is to add the corresponding positive points to the operator. If whether adding points or deducting points to the other party, it adds the corresponding positive points to the operator, although it can stimulate the enthusiasm of members to participate in scoring, but it is also very easy to lead to scoring behaviors aimed at earning points - I hope it is not the case I mentioned.
Scoring will not add positive points to the operator. The reason why the operator in the second picture above shows a positive score is because in the previous specific scoring operation, the forum only recorded the absolute value of the added/subtracted score, but not the sign (for example, the absolute values of -5 and +5 are both 5; however, the total score is correctly recorded). And from now on, in the specific scoring operation, both the absolute value and the sign should be able to be correctly recorded.
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Originally posted by 雨露 at 2006-11-11 23:03:
个人感觉这样改不好,还是以前的手势好一点,因为这些评分影响了阅读贴子!
建议不要直接显示在贴子上!
关于评分操作记录会影响帖子的阅读,这确实是个问题,可以考虑在合适的位置、以合适的大小来显示;但是要取消显示的话,我觉得还是不太好,原因在前面的帖子中已经有所提及。
Originally posted by Yulu at 2006-11-11 23:03:
Personally, I don't think this modification is good. The original gesture was better. Because these ratings affect the reading of the post!
It is suggested not to display them directly in the post!
Regarding the fact that the scoring operation records affect the reading of the post, this is indeed a problem. We can consider displaying them in an appropriate position and with an appropriate size; but if we want to cancel the display, I think it is not very good. The reasons have been mentioned in the previous post.
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刚才查看了一下评分分值的等级划分,发现从-33到+37,以7分为一等级,共划分为11级,发帖的奖励方案没有变动,仍然是发新帖奖励4分,跟帖奖励2分;而头段时间的评分则基本是以4分为一等级,还插了一个+2分的等级,这次调整的变动好象有点大,感觉有点不太适应,举个例子:假设某个用户发了一个新帖,得到4点积分奖励,但是他的标题十分模糊,按理应当在适当的时候扣掉一些积分以示惩罚,这个时候,最少也得扣掉5分,4-5=-1,这样,这个用户因为发标题不合格的新帖而赔了1分。个人感觉扣得太重了,会严重影响会员的积极性的。
Just now, I checked the grade division of the scoring values and found that from -33 to +37, with 7 points as one grade, a total of 11 grades are divided. The reward plan for posting has not changed. Still, posting a new thread rewards 4 points and replying rewards 2 points. And the scoring a while ago was basically with 4 points as one grade, and there was also an additional +2 point grade. This adjustment seems to have a relatively large change, and I feel a bit unaccustomed. For example, suppose a user posts a new thread and gets 4 points of points reward, but his title is very vague. According to reason, some points should be deducted at an appropriate time as punishment. At this time, at least 5 points should be deducted. 4 - 5 = -1, so this user lost 1 point because of posting a new thread with an unqualified title. Personally, I feel that the deduction is too heavy, which will seriously affect the enthusiasm of members.
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