Longxin is considered an important scientific research project in China now. Tens of millions of yuan are invested year after year. It has been more than six or seven years, but it is still covered with a layer of mystery. It is said that its performance is comparable to that of Pentium 4, but it is not specified which P4 it is, such as frequency, architecture, stepping, whether it is a dual-core 5-series, 6-series, 8-series, or the initial P4 that is even worse than P3. I don't know. Later, a P4 2.0 was added, but how this conclusion was reached and what method was used for testing are still unknown. Mass production has been talked about for several years, like floating clouds in the sky, basically never fulfilled. This year, the first batch of Longxin computers was released to the outside world, but the test data must be kept confidential, not even the authoritative magazine "Microcomputer" is an exception. So the last review of Longxin by "Microcomputer" was particularly funny. It said that Longxin can chat on QQ, play Lianliankan, and watch movies. As for specific values of floating-point calculation, integer calculation, etc., there are no specific values. You might as well calculate the first one million digits of pi to see how many hours it takes? This might be the most amateur and contentless review in the history of "Microcomputer". If it can't even do these things, what kind of computer is it? It should be called a Xiaobawang learning machine instead.
I don't believe Longxin has any real stuff. First, the chief designer Hu Weiwu is indeed an unparalleled big SB. Every paper he releases about Longxin necessarily mentions Mao Zedong and takes up a lot of space. Whenever he encounters technical difficulties, he organizes the Longxin team to study Mao Zedong Thought, and then overcomes one difficulty after another. I think it's not so serious to call him SB, but at least this person is not very honest. Second, Longxin has boasted too much. Saying it is comparable to P4 is too vague and has no practical significance. It can only deceive laypeople. Saying that it can produce so many CPUs annually, I have taken this as a reserved program every year, just like EA's money-making大作 "Need for Speed". Li Guojie also said that he wants to make 64-core and completely subvert the world's computer technology, but now he is silent. I really want to know how large the DIE SIZE would be to make a 64-core with the existing technology, and whether the packaged CPU is larger than his face?
Yes, I don't know the detailed information of Longxin. Is it confidential? But I just dare to say that it has no real stuff. I attach great importance to character. For those who always like to bluff, I have to strictly prove every word they say, otherwise I won't refer to it; for those who always tell the truth but occasionally make mistakes, I can believe them even if they have no arguments, just like the bank's credit system. For example, in recent days, foreign media have reported that Chang'e is missing, and the Chinese official immediately jumped out to say that this is completely normal and there is no need to worry. Then I don't know whether to believe it or not, because you always bluff. The brilliant deeds you left in the left column of my SPZ are all your grand words and eloquent speeches. You say there is no need to worry, but recently you have been tight-lipped about Chang'e. How can I not worry?
The designers of Longxin in my view are a group of people without integrity. They say mass production every year but there is no shadow. Such a person who is extremely boastful would be a miracle if he could produce results. If Longxin has real stuff, it would have been boasting everywhere even if the numbers are really bad. We don't care. China lacks everything, just not SBs. Even if it is only comparable to Pentium 2, SBs won't care. They just need it, just like Kim II making atomic bombs, and North Koreans are very happy. As for the backward missile technology and the fact that the produced atomic bombs can only explode in China, South Korea and themselves, not many people care. For them, as long as there is an atomic bomb, all imperialists are just paper tigers. Longxin is so mysterious now. First, the numbers should really not be good enough. Second, it is estimated that it is also having a hard time making ends meet. If it continues to release results, in case the research suddenly stalls one day, it will be very hard to explain to those media. In fact, looking at China's scientific research achievements in recent years, most of them have no real stuff. For example, the sewage suction train Shameful No. 1 is said to have independent intellectual property rights, but the logo of Kawasaki Heavy Industries is printed on the body. At first glance, it seems very impressive. China also has bullet trains, but it is impossible to reach the level of Germany and Japan. You just buy a leftover from others. If they give it to you, you can continue to bluff the people. If they don't give it to you, then the so-called "independent intellectual property rights" will stagnate. The military-use Galaxy Kirin operating system, people on CSDN analyzed that 60% of the code is similar to FreeBSD, and 99.5% of the function names are similar. Finally, the official admitted to "drawing on", but there are still many doubts, and program experts seem to be still researching. Chang'e is said to be the technology bought from Russia, but it has not been verified and is not certain. As for Han芯, it is just a joke. Migrant workers polished Motorola chips with sandpaper to make the "world-class digital processor" and could fool a group of experts from Shanghai Jiao Tong University. But now, if you look at those parties involved, they are still doing well, and all parts related to Han芯 have been erased from their resumes. China's academic circle is so rubbish, officials are corrupt, the military is corrupt, and academia is also corrupt. So don't expect too much from Longxin. Galaxy Kirin is also military-use. The US Department of Defense report said that 1/3 of China's army is engaged in economic activities, and China "does not have the ability to fight a modern war". Look at the level of our army. To be honest, I am worried when it comes to fighting Taiwan.
The above is just guessing the level of Longxin based on past experience and venting, with no real content. Now let's get to the point. Suppose Longxin is really at the level of P4 2.0 as it is said now, does China need to develop Longxin?
I should ask, why does China want to develop its own CPU? Then the two hundred and fifty will jump out. He puts on a "Don't you even know this!?" look, and patiently tells you that it is for national defense needs. China doesn't have a CPU. In case of war, the US won't sell you CPUs, and you will run out one by one, which will be miserable. I CAO, why do you want to fight with the US? Look at what countries have had conflicts with the US and been beaten badly. We are obviously in the greatest harmonious prosperous era in five thousand years. Why do these people always think we are as bad as Iraq, North Korea, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, etc.? This is slandering the great achievements we have made since reform and opening up. There are FQ in China who are paranoiacs, thinking that the US and Japan will also attack us, and always take them as imaginary enemies. This is mainly because their thinking is still stuck in the barbaric Middle Ages. In fact, they really don't take you as a dish. China being attacked by the US is estimated to wait until there is only our autocratic country left in the world. Now there are many clowns blocking bullets for us, and there is no need to worry in the short term. If the CPU is well protected, it can be used for seven or eight years. If China and the US fight a full-scale war, I estimate that the People's Liberation Army will have to lay down its arms within seven or eight days. Still talk about running out one by one. People who say such things are too young, too simple, sometimes naive.
There is another saying that the US can do something in the CPU, such as putting a radio transmitter to steal all our military secrets. If you say this to someone who has studied electronics, they will tell you it is impossible. A wireless transmitter must have a modulator and a carrier oscillator, and components like capacitors or crystal resonators are indispensable. What is the CPU like? I still have four discarded CPUs. If anyone is interested, bring your own hammer or electric saw. Open the outer case, and inside is just a small piece of silicon crystal. It is impossible to hide a transmitter. The CPU basically can't work under such strong electromagnetic interference. Unless - the US's technology has developed to the extraterrestrial civilization level, which is beyond our existing knowledge system. If that's the case, having more CPUs will still be trampled by the US, which is not meaningful. A feasible method is to do something on the pin definition, set a trigger, send a group of level signals to force the CPU to shut down, and then it can't work normally. This is possible. AM2 has 940 pins, and Core 2 should have 775 pins. These pins generally have multiple functions. Sometimes they are for memory addressing and sometimes for read-write controllers. It is said that one pin is the evil lock倍频. Those who have studied 8088 know that it is theoretically possible to do this on the CPU. But the signal to control the CPU to shut down must be sent by the operating system, which is certain. This matter can't do without MicroSoft. We have Galaxy Kirin, so we are not afraid of it.
Of course, my imagination is relatively poor. I can't think of too many schemes on how this CPU can become a military weapon. This glorious and arduous task can only be accomplished by Intel scientists and Chinese FQ. But let's see who is mass-producing X86 general-purpose CPUs in the world now. After counting, it's only the US and Taiwan. (Don't underestimate Taiwan. Almost all the existing graphics chip (GPU) manufacturers in the world, including the two giants ATI and NVIDIA, were founded by Taiwanese people.) Countries like Switzerland and Canada don't have CPUs. Do they just not live? Obviously not. Modern military computers need to simulate 3D battlefield environments, and graphics processing ability is necessary. But we don't have GPUs either. Longxin can't use the latest ATI and NVIDIA graphics cards. The Longxin computer is equipped with a graphics card, but it居然 has no 3D processing ability and can only do 2D processing. Not to mention Crysis, even CS can't be played. There are still only two countries mass-producing GPUs in the world, the US and Taiwan. When I say this, some people start to have bad ideas. Taiwan seems to have everything. Can't we seize it? En, congratulations, the wish of FQ to fight with the US is estimated to be realized soon...
In terms of military aspect, Longxin has a fatal weakness: Longxin is made abroad! Our Longxin has to be taped out by STMicroelectronics, and then transported back across the ocean. What's the military value you talk about? Is there a difference for the US to control Intel, AMD and control STMicroelectronics?
Why find STMicroelectronics? Doesn't China have the ability to manufacture? This needs to popularize some basic knowledge. Many contents below are related to this part, and those who understand can skip directly. There are two main methods to improve the performance of CPU. One is to improve processing efficiency by optimizing structure and algorithms. For example, humans calculate 6*6 in two ways. One is 6+6+6+6+6+6, which takes five steps, very SB. You can also refer to the multiplication table and directly get 36. Also, for 76*74, referring to the multiplication table is not as good as using the same head and tail ten method, and you can immediately get 5624. The other method to improve chip performance is to expand the transistor scale. The higher the integration, the better. Like R580, there are about 800 million transistors on a GPU the size of a biscuit, which is very incredible. To expand the transistor scale, the transistors have to be made as small as possible, that is, the "process" has to be continuously reduced. Reducing the process is almost all benefits without any disadvantages. It can reduce the CPU size, power consumption, heat generation, increase the operating frequency, and reduce the manufacturing cost. The only bad thing is that a lot of money has to be invested to study how to reduce the process. Now the process of GPU is generally 80nm, and the CPU has reached 65nm. There are also 45nm, 32nm, 22nm in Intel's ROADMAP. Many difficulties will be encountered in this process. Every step forward in the semiconductor industry in the microscopic world will encounter various strange physical and chemical phenomena. The transition from 65nm to 45nm has many unprecedented obstacles compared with the transition from 90nm to 65nm, but those industry giants are still eager to do it because this is the ultimate method to improve the performance of CPU and all chip products. Even if a CPU has an excellent architecture, it can only sigh helplessly when facing a product with an integration scale several times larger than it. Even the architecture itself is often developed along with the transistor scale. To put it simply, the former is adapting to the latter and constantly making corrections. In terms of process technology, Intel is very powerful, AMD is one step behind, TSMC and UMC in Taiwan are also following Intel's pace. I remember IBM also has some skills. I don't know much about the current ability of domestic tape-out. Now it should still be at 0.13 micrometers, which is four times worse than Intel's current 65nm. And it seems that the intellectual property is not ours. It's just that foreign countries use China's territory to make chips. Longxin sells itself to STMicroelectronics and can directly jump to 90nm process. In case STMicroelectronics refuses to make Longxin, Longxin returns to China to use the backward generation process technology, then the entire design may have to be redone. Of course, this is not the most critical, because using 0.13 micrometers can still make do, that is, the performance regresses to the previous era. There are other reasons, and we will talk about them slowly.
Here is a digression. China not only lags behind others by several levels in process, but also the mechanical processing ability is not as good as foreign countries. The precision grade is far behind. Many lathes in China are still the technology of Germans from the Republic of China era. Why don't we have super-brilliant brands like Porsche and Ferrari? There are many reasons, such as no good steel and iron. The lack of fine processing ability is also a key factor.人家's cars are sold for hundreds of thousands or millions of yuan, and the quality is there. Really, it's meticulous. Every cut is accurate to several decimal places of millimeters, especially the key parts like the engine, transmission, and axle. If you don't reach this level, it's normal to have some small problems. It is said that in the past, when China made fighter jets, there were no parts to replace when there was a problem. The parts made in the same batch couldn't all fit perfectly with the same plane. Then even if your plane has the same performance as others in terms of bomb load and climbing speed, you still can't beat others. Maybe it takes dozens of bullets to make an F15 lose combat effectiveness, but your J-10 will fall down when hit by a slingshot, because other parts that don't bear direct attacks may fall apart under impact. Second, the industrial design ability is not good. The cars made are extremely ugly. Imitating others' shapes is always similar in appearance but not in spirit. Many brands in Japan and South Korea have excellent industrial design ability. Some people look down on industrial design, thinking it's just drawing with a pen, with no technical content. We can easily surpass SONY and Samsung with a little effort. If that's the case, designers can really be laid off. It's just a shell? Industrial design is not only artistic but also has to consider the selection of materials, safety, comfort, cost, and also ensure that it can be manufactured with existing manufacturing processes. Designers must also have a certain understanding of the product itself. A good industrial design can immediately upgrade the product. China lacks such talents now and doesn't attach much importance to it, which is destined that Made in China is the code name for low-end goods.
There is also a fact to understand about Longxin: Longxin is currently not compatible with the X86 instruction set. And the instruction set determines the programming method of the software that this CPU can run. In other words, Longxin can't use the Windows operating system and all software based on Windows. The patents of X86 are almost all controlled by Intel and AMD. If you want to use it, you have to pay patent fees. But if you want to make a CPU for a computer, universality is the basic skill. Longxin is based on the MIPS instruction set. Foreign countries pointed out that the instruction set of Longxin is 95% similar to MIPS, and 95% of this content is not charged by MIPS. That is to say, Longxin is actually eating the leftovers of foreigners, and it's the leftovers that foreigners are embarrassed to charge for, and it still claims to have independent intellectual property rights. The problem is that the foreigners are not stupid. You can't do without this 5%, and even linux can't be used. So the linux used by Longxin is specially developed, and the software above is also specially developed. Can Longxin design its own instruction set? First, it may not have this ability. Second, if you make your own instruction set, all the supporting software has to be done by yourself. Now there is 95% of MIPS. Although the orthodox linux can't be used, it can be barely used with a little modification. To make all common software from scratch, from the operating system to image processing, word processing, video processing, 3D processing - oh, sorry, Longxin has no 3D processing ability - to the following chat tools, players, games like StarCraft - CS is not okay, it's 3D. All these software have to start from scratch! All these software on Windows, MAC OS, linux are the joint wisdom of software developers all over the world. It's not the credit of Microsoft alone, nor is it the credit of Intel alone. It's a complete system, the result of decades of common hard work all over the world, step by step, and also the result of countless US dollars invested. You, a small Longxin development team in China, with only dozens of people, want to insert a foot and subvert the world computer system. I am very serious to say that you people have been so overreaching that it's outrageous!
At this time, another two hundred and fifty will jump out. As long as Longxin surpasses Intel to become the best desktop processor in the world, won't there be a wave after wave of people developing software for Longxin? If it really doesn't work, gather the wisdom of 1.6 billion Chinese people, and creating a complete software system is not a piece of cake? Then at most the West uses the Western one, and China uses the Chinese one. Our Chinese people are so patriotic, everyone boycotts foreign goods, and we are still afraid that Longxin won't develop?
This is even more outrageous than the Longxin development team. If China wants to play self-seclusion, just play it. I see how long you can be harmonious. With China's current strength in protecting intellectual property rights, even I, such an upright person, haven't bought genuine products. Who the hell will develop software for you? In the end, it will probably be a Xiaobawang learning machine. As for surpassing Intel, this is absolutely the legacy of the Mao era. Chairman Mao always talked about materialism, but actually he was the most idealist. Chairman Mao firmly believed that people's spirit can be transformed into material achievements. As long as we Chinese people unite and work hard, we can catch up with and surpass Britain and the US, have a yield of ten thousand catties per mu, carry out the Great Leap Forward in steel, and step into socialism in one step. But after surpassing for so many years, except that the environmental pollution is more exaggerated than that of Britain hundreds of years ago, what else have we surpassed? Is China so weak because we are not diligent enough? Anyone who says such a thing should be spit on by the students who stay up late studying all over China! Of course, I am excluded. I am the black sheep among Chinese students. Everyone knows that, so I won't say anything.
And Longxin's investment in STMicroelectronics is not only for process needs. ST has the right to use the last 5% of the MIPS instruction set. If Longxin becomes a product under STMicroelectronics, it can use all MIPS instruction sets above board, and the software problem is solved. I estimate that the next generation of Longxin may be able to use any version of linux. But then, we saw a very funny scene. The Longxin actually has the logo of STMicroelectronics printed on it. Have you ever seen a NVIDIA chip with the TSMC logo printed on it? Longxin is no longer our Chinese thing. The Longxin development team has basically become employees of STMicroelectronics. And what is Longxin? Longxin is developed with the tax money of hundreds of millions of Chinese people. It is the so-called independent intellectual property rights, the pride of the people, and the spiritual sustenance of FQ. Now you haven't created a penny of profit, haven't added a single job to the domestic market, and haven't forced the price of Core and Athlon to decrease by even 0.1 percentage points.
You use the money of the Chinese people to砸砸砸, and the research result you砸出来 has become European!
Fortunately, FQ haven't realized this yet, or they simply don't want to admit this. They are very happy, and I am also happy seeing them so happy.
Now look at Longxin again. The military value is basically 0. Talking about national defense is simply nonsense. At least it is incompatible with Galaxy Kirin. Then the two 863 projects fight, heh heh... The civilian value is also not great. Let's study what advantages Longxin can have if it continues to develop like this? We need to find other selling points besides performance and function. We don't expect these two points. It can't even do 3D processing. Playing a 720P video is still very stuck. There are very few software. It's impossible to catch up with and surpass in the short term. Price? Originally, making it by ourselves still had some expectations, and Longxin has always promoted itself with low price. But now that it is sold to STMicroelectronics, there is no cost advantage at all. The public price of the Longxin box is 2000 yuan (if you can buy it). It doesn't include the monitor, optical drive, keyboard, mouse. There is only a broken processor, an ATI graphics card, which is probably a 16M Raedon 7000. Maybe it's not even as good as GeForce4 MX440. I don't know if they have met Taobao aliens and dug out such an ancient thing, and it still doesn't support 3D. Plus the strange chipset, the unknown north bridge + VIA's eliminated south bridge for many years. The 256M DDR333 memory has only one DIMM. The 40G 2.5-inch 5400 rpm hard disk is simply a mobile hard disk. Selling this for 2000 yuan, what is this called? It's called robbing money. Anyone who buys it is a second. Except that the hard disk is a bit valuable, the graphics card can be kept as a souvenir, and the remaining things should be packed and treated as garbage. 2000 yuan can be equipped in any way, which is better than this thing.
Some people also said that Longxin has low power consumption. The official says it's only 4W! I also said that VIA's C7M is only 1W. Then the Longxin fans said that the performance of Longxin seems stronger than C7M! I think people who compare like this are particularly SB. When you talk about performance, he doesn't compare with Intel but with VIA. When you talk about power consumption, he doesn't compare with VIA but with Intel. Just like Sony fans holding the PS3 coffin box. When comparing with WII, they say my performance is stronger than yours. When comparing with XB360, they say my sales in the Japanese region are higher than yours. In fact, people with sharp eyes know that PS3 is destined to be a garbage caught between WII and XB360. When C7M first came out, I didn't think it was of great significance. But later Microsoft suddenly launched the omega origami plan, promoting ultra-portable computers (a bit smaller than notebooks, much larger than PDAs). These computers are originally about power saving, not performance. Then C7M suddenly became popular. Why didn't Longxin become popular? You don't support Windows. Who the hell uses your broken operating system and very few software? Moreover, the manufacturers value the 3W less power consumption of C7M than you. Does Longxin have four times the performance of C7M? In fact, these two CPUs haven't been systematically compared. Who is stronger and who is weaker is really unclear, just boasted by Longxin fans.
Longxin is in such an embarrassing position, neither fish nor fowl. No performance, no power consumption. Bad price, bad function. Two words to summarize: waste. FQ are not happy again. This is developed by our Chinese people themselves. Why can't you cherish it and be tolerant? Longxin has drawn on so many advanced technologies and developed much faster than Intel and AMD in the past. It's not strange to catch up. This is typical idealism. He flips his mouth, and it's extremely boastful. Everything is possible, impossible is nothing. Is this the case? If you give China and Intel 45nm technology at the same time, you see who will enter the 32nm era first. People's many years of semiconductor experience are there. Technology is very about accumulation. You can't just buy the results developed by others. Even for chip architecture, China is still unlikely to catch up with those industry giants. ATI introduced a ring memory bus in R520 to expand the internal data throughput. To adapt to rendering needs, it changed the ratio of pixel shader and vertex shader to 3:1 in R580. So 7900 is already old, and X1900 is still strong. In the DirectX8 era, the graphics card separately divided out the pixel shader, enhancing the pixel rendering ability, which was called an epoch-making design. In DirectX10, it merged with other shaders into unified shader, still called an epoch-making design. Also, Core's SmartCache, hot and cold code ratio, AMD's HyperTransport bus, built-in memory controller... There are too many such examples. These technological achievements all have their era backgrounds, constantly improving to adapt to application needs. In the continuous evolution or even cycle of architecture, new application methods are derived. These are all walked step by step over the years. After the market's大浪淘沙, legends like 3DFX, Elsa, Quantum have fallen. The surviving companies are the elites among elites, which can't be compared with products like Longxin that lack competitors, application environment, and development experience. You can keep chasing, but you will never catch up. You see that the distance is getting closer, but the last small step is just impossible to cross.
I describe China's scientific research ability as so bad, everything is worse than foreign countries, and everything can't catch up with foreign countries. Does China not engage in science and technology? Definitely not. You see that what is sold from abroad are high-value-added products. CPU is just using ultraviolet rays to draw lines on the ubiquitous silicon, plus a cover and inserting hundreds of pins behind. The material cost is not worth much. And software is just burning some data on a few yuan CD. How can it be sold for tens of thousands of yuan a set? And what we sell are shoes and clothes. On the surface, our export volume is high, and it seems that we have taken advantage. In fact, they just use mental labor to buy our resources and cheap labor. But the Chinese people are particularly happy and take it as a pride. It's impossible without technology. Like South Korea. Judging from the geographical conditions, this country's qualifications are extremely poor. It's even short of iron ore. There's nothing except that the land is good for farming.按理说 it should be an agricultural country. In fact, it was much weaker than North Korea before the Korean War. The capital was lost in three days. Now it can take off, relying on technology. Also, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan all have their own little tricks. A country without technology exports will definitely not do well in the world.
But the Chinese people's heads are relatively stubborn. They always think about chasing others, chasing others, catching up and then leaving others behind. They just won't find another way and be a leader. Their vision is only on what others have already thought of, and they can't imagine what is still missing in the world. When Microsoft and SONY were still competing on functions, Nintendo invented WII and innovated the operation mode of games. When the whole world was still using mice and keyboards, Microsoft invented SURFACE and innovated the operation mode of computers. When Western Digital and Seagate were struggling with vertical storage and pursuing a little performance improvement of magnetic storage, IBM invented holographic storage and immediately brought storage into the optical era. The capacity and speed increased geometrically. When IBM was working on holographic storage, maybe someone was working on holographic imaging. It's not strange to have the communication mode in Star Wars in the future. South Korea has NAND flash memory and SPVA panels. Japan has CCD and the world's most developed TV game industry. What about China? When others make DVDs, we make EVD. When others have Pentium, we make Longxin. When others land on the moon, we have Chang'e. We want to make whatever others have, but no matter what we make, it's awkward and always chasing others' footsteps.
Take semiconductors for example. Just now, we talked about the process. Will it always develop according to Moore's Law? Impossible. No matter how small the transistor is, it can't be smaller than an electron. When the process can no longer be reduced, maybe the development of semiconductors will come to an end. Then will the computer stop developing? Maybe a better material than silicon will replace it. But there are many other solutions in the IT industry. Now data is transmitted by electrical signals in the chip. Maybe in the future, it will become a quantum computer relying on optical signals to transmit data. It may also become a biological computer with DNA as the carrier. Transistors only have three states: low level, high level, and off resistance. DNA has N states (since my biology is extremely bad, I can't figure out exactly how many, but there's no doubt that even if only one more state is added, the computing and storage capacity will increase exponentially...). There are also many future computer solutions, each of which can theoretically surpass the current computer by thousands or even hundreds of millions of times. And these technologies are constantly being studied abroad. Maybe one day an epoch-making product will be born. Then even if our Longxin really catches up with and surpasses, in a new field, there will be new gaps.
What the Chinese people lack is this kind of innovation ability. This first has to do with education. It can't teach such students. Second, even if a few are cultivated occasionally, these smart people have already gone to the US to seek freedom and democracy, or are depressed in China. Why? Those who manage scientific research funds don't appreciate your innovation, your down-to-earthness, your modesty. You won't be able to get money if you don't brag. There are still some scientific research achievements in China. When it comes to the chip industry, Longxin may not even be in the top ten of domestic products. Others are working quietly in the embedded field. They don't get as much money from the state as Longxin, and their influence is not as great as Longxin, but they can support themselves and support many postgraduates. Similarly, if you don't engage in horse trading, you can't be an official. Even if you don't lose morality a little, you can't even live. Alas, I won't say more. Full of sad tears. I am going to design a GPU to fill the gap in the domestic related field. It is tentatively named Huaxin. First, I will deceive some startup funds to recruit a few doctors to study. See whether to polish or find the discarded existing technology abroad. Then apply for 863 and the national five-one project. The school will definitely be proud of me and hire me as the dean of the microelectronics college. Then when the funds arrive, I will directly learn from ×××'s son to immigrate to Australia commercially, money is invested in hundreds of millions, it has been more than six or seven years, and it is still covered with a layer of mystery...
[ Last edited by zzz19760225 on 2017-6-14 at 01:40 ]
I don't believe Longxin has any real stuff. First, the chief designer Hu Weiwu is indeed an unparalleled big SB. Every paper he releases about Longxin necessarily mentions Mao Zedong and takes up a lot of space. Whenever he encounters technical difficulties, he organizes the Longxin team to study Mao Zedong Thought, and then overcomes one difficulty after another. I think it's not so serious to call him SB, but at least this person is not very honest. Second, Longxin has boasted too much. Saying it is comparable to P4 is too vague and has no practical significance. It can only deceive laypeople. Saying that it can produce so many CPUs annually, I have taken this as a reserved program every year, just like EA's money-making大作 "Need for Speed". Li Guojie also said that he wants to make 64-core and completely subvert the world's computer technology, but now he is silent. I really want to know how large the DIE SIZE would be to make a 64-core with the existing technology, and whether the packaged CPU is larger than his face?
Yes, I don't know the detailed information of Longxin. Is it confidential? But I just dare to say that it has no real stuff. I attach great importance to character. For those who always like to bluff, I have to strictly prove every word they say, otherwise I won't refer to it; for those who always tell the truth but occasionally make mistakes, I can believe them even if they have no arguments, just like the bank's credit system. For example, in recent days, foreign media have reported that Chang'e is missing, and the Chinese official immediately jumped out to say that this is completely normal and there is no need to worry. Then I don't know whether to believe it or not, because you always bluff. The brilliant deeds you left in the left column of my SPZ are all your grand words and eloquent speeches. You say there is no need to worry, but recently you have been tight-lipped about Chang'e. How can I not worry?
The designers of Longxin in my view are a group of people without integrity. They say mass production every year but there is no shadow. Such a person who is extremely boastful would be a miracle if he could produce results. If Longxin has real stuff, it would have been boasting everywhere even if the numbers are really bad. We don't care. China lacks everything, just not SBs. Even if it is only comparable to Pentium 2, SBs won't care. They just need it, just like Kim II making atomic bombs, and North Koreans are very happy. As for the backward missile technology and the fact that the produced atomic bombs can only explode in China, South Korea and themselves, not many people care. For them, as long as there is an atomic bomb, all imperialists are just paper tigers. Longxin is so mysterious now. First, the numbers should really not be good enough. Second, it is estimated that it is also having a hard time making ends meet. If it continues to release results, in case the research suddenly stalls one day, it will be very hard to explain to those media. In fact, looking at China's scientific research achievements in recent years, most of them have no real stuff. For example, the sewage suction train Shameful No. 1 is said to have independent intellectual property rights, but the logo of Kawasaki Heavy Industries is printed on the body. At first glance, it seems very impressive. China also has bullet trains, but it is impossible to reach the level of Germany and Japan. You just buy a leftover from others. If they give it to you, you can continue to bluff the people. If they don't give it to you, then the so-called "independent intellectual property rights" will stagnate. The military-use Galaxy Kirin operating system, people on CSDN analyzed that 60% of the code is similar to FreeBSD, and 99.5% of the function names are similar. Finally, the official admitted to "drawing on", but there are still many doubts, and program experts seem to be still researching. Chang'e is said to be the technology bought from Russia, but it has not been verified and is not certain. As for Han芯, it is just a joke. Migrant workers polished Motorola chips with sandpaper to make the "world-class digital processor" and could fool a group of experts from Shanghai Jiao Tong University. But now, if you look at those parties involved, they are still doing well, and all parts related to Han芯 have been erased from their resumes. China's academic circle is so rubbish, officials are corrupt, the military is corrupt, and academia is also corrupt. So don't expect too much from Longxin. Galaxy Kirin is also military-use. The US Department of Defense report said that 1/3 of China's army is engaged in economic activities, and China "does not have the ability to fight a modern war". Look at the level of our army. To be honest, I am worried when it comes to fighting Taiwan.
The above is just guessing the level of Longxin based on past experience and venting, with no real content. Now let's get to the point. Suppose Longxin is really at the level of P4 2.0 as it is said now, does China need to develop Longxin?
I should ask, why does China want to develop its own CPU? Then the two hundred and fifty will jump out. He puts on a "Don't you even know this!?" look, and patiently tells you that it is for national defense needs. China doesn't have a CPU. In case of war, the US won't sell you CPUs, and you will run out one by one, which will be miserable. I CAO, why do you want to fight with the US? Look at what countries have had conflicts with the US and been beaten badly. We are obviously in the greatest harmonious prosperous era in five thousand years. Why do these people always think we are as bad as Iraq, North Korea, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, etc.? This is slandering the great achievements we have made since reform and opening up. There are FQ in China who are paranoiacs, thinking that the US and Japan will also attack us, and always take them as imaginary enemies. This is mainly because their thinking is still stuck in the barbaric Middle Ages. In fact, they really don't take you as a dish. China being attacked by the US is estimated to wait until there is only our autocratic country left in the world. Now there are many clowns blocking bullets for us, and there is no need to worry in the short term. If the CPU is well protected, it can be used for seven or eight years. If China and the US fight a full-scale war, I estimate that the People's Liberation Army will have to lay down its arms within seven or eight days. Still talk about running out one by one. People who say such things are too young, too simple, sometimes naive.
There is another saying that the US can do something in the CPU, such as putting a radio transmitter to steal all our military secrets. If you say this to someone who has studied electronics, they will tell you it is impossible. A wireless transmitter must have a modulator and a carrier oscillator, and components like capacitors or crystal resonators are indispensable. What is the CPU like? I still have four discarded CPUs. If anyone is interested, bring your own hammer or electric saw. Open the outer case, and inside is just a small piece of silicon crystal. It is impossible to hide a transmitter. The CPU basically can't work under such strong electromagnetic interference. Unless - the US's technology has developed to the extraterrestrial civilization level, which is beyond our existing knowledge system. If that's the case, having more CPUs will still be trampled by the US, which is not meaningful. A feasible method is to do something on the pin definition, set a trigger, send a group of level signals to force the CPU to shut down, and then it can't work normally. This is possible. AM2 has 940 pins, and Core 2 should have 775 pins. These pins generally have multiple functions. Sometimes they are for memory addressing and sometimes for read-write controllers. It is said that one pin is the evil lock倍频. Those who have studied 8088 know that it is theoretically possible to do this on the CPU. But the signal to control the CPU to shut down must be sent by the operating system, which is certain. This matter can't do without MicroSoft. We have Galaxy Kirin, so we are not afraid of it.
Of course, my imagination is relatively poor. I can't think of too many schemes on how this CPU can become a military weapon. This glorious and arduous task can only be accomplished by Intel scientists and Chinese FQ. But let's see who is mass-producing X86 general-purpose CPUs in the world now. After counting, it's only the US and Taiwan. (Don't underestimate Taiwan. Almost all the existing graphics chip (GPU) manufacturers in the world, including the two giants ATI and NVIDIA, were founded by Taiwanese people.) Countries like Switzerland and Canada don't have CPUs. Do they just not live? Obviously not. Modern military computers need to simulate 3D battlefield environments, and graphics processing ability is necessary. But we don't have GPUs either. Longxin can't use the latest ATI and NVIDIA graphics cards. The Longxin computer is equipped with a graphics card, but it居然 has no 3D processing ability and can only do 2D processing. Not to mention Crysis, even CS can't be played. There are still only two countries mass-producing GPUs in the world, the US and Taiwan. When I say this, some people start to have bad ideas. Taiwan seems to have everything. Can't we seize it? En, congratulations, the wish of FQ to fight with the US is estimated to be realized soon...
In terms of military aspect, Longxin has a fatal weakness: Longxin is made abroad! Our Longxin has to be taped out by STMicroelectronics, and then transported back across the ocean. What's the military value you talk about? Is there a difference for the US to control Intel, AMD and control STMicroelectronics?
Why find STMicroelectronics? Doesn't China have the ability to manufacture? This needs to popularize some basic knowledge. Many contents below are related to this part, and those who understand can skip directly. There are two main methods to improve the performance of CPU. One is to improve processing efficiency by optimizing structure and algorithms. For example, humans calculate 6*6 in two ways. One is 6+6+6+6+6+6, which takes five steps, very SB. You can also refer to the multiplication table and directly get 36. Also, for 76*74, referring to the multiplication table is not as good as using the same head and tail ten method, and you can immediately get 5624. The other method to improve chip performance is to expand the transistor scale. The higher the integration, the better. Like R580, there are about 800 million transistors on a GPU the size of a biscuit, which is very incredible. To expand the transistor scale, the transistors have to be made as small as possible, that is, the "process" has to be continuously reduced. Reducing the process is almost all benefits without any disadvantages. It can reduce the CPU size, power consumption, heat generation, increase the operating frequency, and reduce the manufacturing cost. The only bad thing is that a lot of money has to be invested to study how to reduce the process. Now the process of GPU is generally 80nm, and the CPU has reached 65nm. There are also 45nm, 32nm, 22nm in Intel's ROADMAP. Many difficulties will be encountered in this process. Every step forward in the semiconductor industry in the microscopic world will encounter various strange physical and chemical phenomena. The transition from 65nm to 45nm has many unprecedented obstacles compared with the transition from 90nm to 65nm, but those industry giants are still eager to do it because this is the ultimate method to improve the performance of CPU and all chip products. Even if a CPU has an excellent architecture, it can only sigh helplessly when facing a product with an integration scale several times larger than it. Even the architecture itself is often developed along with the transistor scale. To put it simply, the former is adapting to the latter and constantly making corrections. In terms of process technology, Intel is very powerful, AMD is one step behind, TSMC and UMC in Taiwan are also following Intel's pace. I remember IBM also has some skills. I don't know much about the current ability of domestic tape-out. Now it should still be at 0.13 micrometers, which is four times worse than Intel's current 65nm. And it seems that the intellectual property is not ours. It's just that foreign countries use China's territory to make chips. Longxin sells itself to STMicroelectronics and can directly jump to 90nm process. In case STMicroelectronics refuses to make Longxin, Longxin returns to China to use the backward generation process technology, then the entire design may have to be redone. Of course, this is not the most critical, because using 0.13 micrometers can still make do, that is, the performance regresses to the previous era. There are other reasons, and we will talk about them slowly.
Here is a digression. China not only lags behind others by several levels in process, but also the mechanical processing ability is not as good as foreign countries. The precision grade is far behind. Many lathes in China are still the technology of Germans from the Republic of China era. Why don't we have super-brilliant brands like Porsche and Ferrari? There are many reasons, such as no good steel and iron. The lack of fine processing ability is also a key factor.人家's cars are sold for hundreds of thousands or millions of yuan, and the quality is there. Really, it's meticulous. Every cut is accurate to several decimal places of millimeters, especially the key parts like the engine, transmission, and axle. If you don't reach this level, it's normal to have some small problems. It is said that in the past, when China made fighter jets, there were no parts to replace when there was a problem. The parts made in the same batch couldn't all fit perfectly with the same plane. Then even if your plane has the same performance as others in terms of bomb load and climbing speed, you still can't beat others. Maybe it takes dozens of bullets to make an F15 lose combat effectiveness, but your J-10 will fall down when hit by a slingshot, because other parts that don't bear direct attacks may fall apart under impact. Second, the industrial design ability is not good. The cars made are extremely ugly. Imitating others' shapes is always similar in appearance but not in spirit. Many brands in Japan and South Korea have excellent industrial design ability. Some people look down on industrial design, thinking it's just drawing with a pen, with no technical content. We can easily surpass SONY and Samsung with a little effort. If that's the case, designers can really be laid off. It's just a shell? Industrial design is not only artistic but also has to consider the selection of materials, safety, comfort, cost, and also ensure that it can be manufactured with existing manufacturing processes. Designers must also have a certain understanding of the product itself. A good industrial design can immediately upgrade the product. China lacks such talents now and doesn't attach much importance to it, which is destined that Made in China is the code name for low-end goods.
There is also a fact to understand about Longxin: Longxin is currently not compatible with the X86 instruction set. And the instruction set determines the programming method of the software that this CPU can run. In other words, Longxin can't use the Windows operating system and all software based on Windows. The patents of X86 are almost all controlled by Intel and AMD. If you want to use it, you have to pay patent fees. But if you want to make a CPU for a computer, universality is the basic skill. Longxin is based on the MIPS instruction set. Foreign countries pointed out that the instruction set of Longxin is 95% similar to MIPS, and 95% of this content is not charged by MIPS. That is to say, Longxin is actually eating the leftovers of foreigners, and it's the leftovers that foreigners are embarrassed to charge for, and it still claims to have independent intellectual property rights. The problem is that the foreigners are not stupid. You can't do without this 5%, and even linux can't be used. So the linux used by Longxin is specially developed, and the software above is also specially developed. Can Longxin design its own instruction set? First, it may not have this ability. Second, if you make your own instruction set, all the supporting software has to be done by yourself. Now there is 95% of MIPS. Although the orthodox linux can't be used, it can be barely used with a little modification. To make all common software from scratch, from the operating system to image processing, word processing, video processing, 3D processing - oh, sorry, Longxin has no 3D processing ability - to the following chat tools, players, games like StarCraft - CS is not okay, it's 3D. All these software have to start from scratch! All these software on Windows, MAC OS, linux are the joint wisdom of software developers all over the world. It's not the credit of Microsoft alone, nor is it the credit of Intel alone. It's a complete system, the result of decades of common hard work all over the world, step by step, and also the result of countless US dollars invested. You, a small Longxin development team in China, with only dozens of people, want to insert a foot and subvert the world computer system. I am very serious to say that you people have been so overreaching that it's outrageous!
At this time, another two hundred and fifty will jump out. As long as Longxin surpasses Intel to become the best desktop processor in the world, won't there be a wave after wave of people developing software for Longxin? If it really doesn't work, gather the wisdom of 1.6 billion Chinese people, and creating a complete software system is not a piece of cake? Then at most the West uses the Western one, and China uses the Chinese one. Our Chinese people are so patriotic, everyone boycotts foreign goods, and we are still afraid that Longxin won't develop?
This is even more outrageous than the Longxin development team. If China wants to play self-seclusion, just play it. I see how long you can be harmonious. With China's current strength in protecting intellectual property rights, even I, such an upright person, haven't bought genuine products. Who the hell will develop software for you? In the end, it will probably be a Xiaobawang learning machine. As for surpassing Intel, this is absolutely the legacy of the Mao era. Chairman Mao always talked about materialism, but actually he was the most idealist. Chairman Mao firmly believed that people's spirit can be transformed into material achievements. As long as we Chinese people unite and work hard, we can catch up with and surpass Britain and the US, have a yield of ten thousand catties per mu, carry out the Great Leap Forward in steel, and step into socialism in one step. But after surpassing for so many years, except that the environmental pollution is more exaggerated than that of Britain hundreds of years ago, what else have we surpassed? Is China so weak because we are not diligent enough? Anyone who says such a thing should be spit on by the students who stay up late studying all over China! Of course, I am excluded. I am the black sheep among Chinese students. Everyone knows that, so I won't say anything.
And Longxin's investment in STMicroelectronics is not only for process needs. ST has the right to use the last 5% of the MIPS instruction set. If Longxin becomes a product under STMicroelectronics, it can use all MIPS instruction sets above board, and the software problem is solved. I estimate that the next generation of Longxin may be able to use any version of linux. But then, we saw a very funny scene. The Longxin actually has the logo of STMicroelectronics printed on it. Have you ever seen a NVIDIA chip with the TSMC logo printed on it? Longxin is no longer our Chinese thing. The Longxin development team has basically become employees of STMicroelectronics. And what is Longxin? Longxin is developed with the tax money of hundreds of millions of Chinese people. It is the so-called independent intellectual property rights, the pride of the people, and the spiritual sustenance of FQ. Now you haven't created a penny of profit, haven't added a single job to the domestic market, and haven't forced the price of Core and Athlon to decrease by even 0.1 percentage points.
You use the money of the Chinese people to砸砸砸, and the research result you砸出来 has become European!
Fortunately, FQ haven't realized this yet, or they simply don't want to admit this. They are very happy, and I am also happy seeing them so happy.
Now look at Longxin again. The military value is basically 0. Talking about national defense is simply nonsense. At least it is incompatible with Galaxy Kirin. Then the two 863 projects fight, heh heh... The civilian value is also not great. Let's study what advantages Longxin can have if it continues to develop like this? We need to find other selling points besides performance and function. We don't expect these two points. It can't even do 3D processing. Playing a 720P video is still very stuck. There are very few software. It's impossible to catch up with and surpass in the short term. Price? Originally, making it by ourselves still had some expectations, and Longxin has always promoted itself with low price. But now that it is sold to STMicroelectronics, there is no cost advantage at all. The public price of the Longxin box is 2000 yuan (if you can buy it). It doesn't include the monitor, optical drive, keyboard, mouse. There is only a broken processor, an ATI graphics card, which is probably a 16M Raedon 7000. Maybe it's not even as good as GeForce4 MX440. I don't know if they have met Taobao aliens and dug out such an ancient thing, and it still doesn't support 3D. Plus the strange chipset, the unknown north bridge + VIA's eliminated south bridge for many years. The 256M DDR333 memory has only one DIMM. The 40G 2.5-inch 5400 rpm hard disk is simply a mobile hard disk. Selling this for 2000 yuan, what is this called? It's called robbing money. Anyone who buys it is a second. Except that the hard disk is a bit valuable, the graphics card can be kept as a souvenir, and the remaining things should be packed and treated as garbage. 2000 yuan can be equipped in any way, which is better than this thing.
Some people also said that Longxin has low power consumption. The official says it's only 4W! I also said that VIA's C7M is only 1W. Then the Longxin fans said that the performance of Longxin seems stronger than C7M! I think people who compare like this are particularly SB. When you talk about performance, he doesn't compare with Intel but with VIA. When you talk about power consumption, he doesn't compare with VIA but with Intel. Just like Sony fans holding the PS3 coffin box. When comparing with WII, they say my performance is stronger than yours. When comparing with XB360, they say my sales in the Japanese region are higher than yours. In fact, people with sharp eyes know that PS3 is destined to be a garbage caught between WII and XB360. When C7M first came out, I didn't think it was of great significance. But later Microsoft suddenly launched the omega origami plan, promoting ultra-portable computers (a bit smaller than notebooks, much larger than PDAs). These computers are originally about power saving, not performance. Then C7M suddenly became popular. Why didn't Longxin become popular? You don't support Windows. Who the hell uses your broken operating system and very few software? Moreover, the manufacturers value the 3W less power consumption of C7M than you. Does Longxin have four times the performance of C7M? In fact, these two CPUs haven't been systematically compared. Who is stronger and who is weaker is really unclear, just boasted by Longxin fans.
Longxin is in such an embarrassing position, neither fish nor fowl. No performance, no power consumption. Bad price, bad function. Two words to summarize: waste. FQ are not happy again. This is developed by our Chinese people themselves. Why can't you cherish it and be tolerant? Longxin has drawn on so many advanced technologies and developed much faster than Intel and AMD in the past. It's not strange to catch up. This is typical idealism. He flips his mouth, and it's extremely boastful. Everything is possible, impossible is nothing. Is this the case? If you give China and Intel 45nm technology at the same time, you see who will enter the 32nm era first. People's many years of semiconductor experience are there. Technology is very about accumulation. You can't just buy the results developed by others. Even for chip architecture, China is still unlikely to catch up with those industry giants. ATI introduced a ring memory bus in R520 to expand the internal data throughput. To adapt to rendering needs, it changed the ratio of pixel shader and vertex shader to 3:1 in R580. So 7900 is already old, and X1900 is still strong. In the DirectX8 era, the graphics card separately divided out the pixel shader, enhancing the pixel rendering ability, which was called an epoch-making design. In DirectX10, it merged with other shaders into unified shader, still called an epoch-making design. Also, Core's SmartCache, hot and cold code ratio, AMD's HyperTransport bus, built-in memory controller... There are too many such examples. These technological achievements all have their era backgrounds, constantly improving to adapt to application needs. In the continuous evolution or even cycle of architecture, new application methods are derived. These are all walked step by step over the years. After the market's大浪淘沙, legends like 3DFX, Elsa, Quantum have fallen. The surviving companies are the elites among elites, which can't be compared with products like Longxin that lack competitors, application environment, and development experience. You can keep chasing, but you will never catch up. You see that the distance is getting closer, but the last small step is just impossible to cross.
I describe China's scientific research ability as so bad, everything is worse than foreign countries, and everything can't catch up with foreign countries. Does China not engage in science and technology? Definitely not. You see that what is sold from abroad are high-value-added products. CPU is just using ultraviolet rays to draw lines on the ubiquitous silicon, plus a cover and inserting hundreds of pins behind. The material cost is not worth much. And software is just burning some data on a few yuan CD. How can it be sold for tens of thousands of yuan a set? And what we sell are shoes and clothes. On the surface, our export volume is high, and it seems that we have taken advantage. In fact, they just use mental labor to buy our resources and cheap labor. But the Chinese people are particularly happy and take it as a pride. It's impossible without technology. Like South Korea. Judging from the geographical conditions, this country's qualifications are extremely poor. It's even short of iron ore. There's nothing except that the land is good for farming.按理说 it should be an agricultural country. In fact, it was much weaker than North Korea before the Korean War. The capital was lost in three days. Now it can take off, relying on technology. Also, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan all have their own little tricks. A country without technology exports will definitely not do well in the world.
But the Chinese people's heads are relatively stubborn. They always think about chasing others, chasing others, catching up and then leaving others behind. They just won't find another way and be a leader. Their vision is only on what others have already thought of, and they can't imagine what is still missing in the world. When Microsoft and SONY were still competing on functions, Nintendo invented WII and innovated the operation mode of games. When the whole world was still using mice and keyboards, Microsoft invented SURFACE and innovated the operation mode of computers. When Western Digital and Seagate were struggling with vertical storage and pursuing a little performance improvement of magnetic storage, IBM invented holographic storage and immediately brought storage into the optical era. The capacity and speed increased geometrically. When IBM was working on holographic storage, maybe someone was working on holographic imaging. It's not strange to have the communication mode in Star Wars in the future. South Korea has NAND flash memory and SPVA panels. Japan has CCD and the world's most developed TV game industry. What about China? When others make DVDs, we make EVD. When others have Pentium, we make Longxin. When others land on the moon, we have Chang'e. We want to make whatever others have, but no matter what we make, it's awkward and always chasing others' footsteps.
Take semiconductors for example. Just now, we talked about the process. Will it always develop according to Moore's Law? Impossible. No matter how small the transistor is, it can't be smaller than an electron. When the process can no longer be reduced, maybe the development of semiconductors will come to an end. Then will the computer stop developing? Maybe a better material than silicon will replace it. But there are many other solutions in the IT industry. Now data is transmitted by electrical signals in the chip. Maybe in the future, it will become a quantum computer relying on optical signals to transmit data. It may also become a biological computer with DNA as the carrier. Transistors only have three states: low level, high level, and off resistance. DNA has N states (since my biology is extremely bad, I can't figure out exactly how many, but there's no doubt that even if only one more state is added, the computing and storage capacity will increase exponentially...). There are also many future computer solutions, each of which can theoretically surpass the current computer by thousands or even hundreds of millions of times. And these technologies are constantly being studied abroad. Maybe one day an epoch-making product will be born. Then even if our Longxin really catches up with and surpasses, in a new field, there will be new gaps.
What the Chinese people lack is this kind of innovation ability. This first has to do with education. It can't teach such students. Second, even if a few are cultivated occasionally, these smart people have already gone to the US to seek freedom and democracy, or are depressed in China. Why? Those who manage scientific research funds don't appreciate your innovation, your down-to-earthness, your modesty. You won't be able to get money if you don't brag. There are still some scientific research achievements in China. When it comes to the chip industry, Longxin may not even be in the top ten of domestic products. Others are working quietly in the embedded field. They don't get as much money from the state as Longxin, and their influence is not as great as Longxin, but they can support themselves and support many postgraduates. Similarly, if you don't engage in horse trading, you can't be an official. Even if you don't lose morality a little, you can't even live. Alas, I won't say more. Full of sad tears. I am going to design a GPU to fill the gap in the domestic related field. It is tentatively named Huaxin. First, I will deceive some startup funds to recruit a few doctors to study. See whether to polish or find the discarded existing technology abroad. Then apply for 863 and the national five-one project. The school will definitely be proud of me and hire me as the dean of the microelectronics college. Then when the funds arrive, I will directly learn from ×××'s son to immigrate to Australia commercially, money is invested in hundreds of millions, it has been more than six or seven years, and it is still covered with a layer of mystery...
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