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[讨论]如何减少随意写标题的现象
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论坛里新手比较多,所发帖子的标题相当的随意(甚至一部分资深会员的帖子也如此):“求助”、“请教”、“批处理问题”、“关于××的问题”……很多标题要么大而无边,要么不明所指,“关于××的问题”几乎成为放之四海而皆准的万能标题,从标题根本无法推测帖子的大致内容,对以后的搜索和管理相当不方便。几乎每次上论坛,我都要发好几个提示修改标题的版务帖,然后隔段时间还要再去看看楼主有没有修改标题,以便采取下一步措施,为这等重复的事情耗费了我不少精力,感觉十分的累。最开始一段时间我还很有耐心,但是泥人也有土性,今天处理了这个,明天又冒出了另一个,甚至有越来越多的趋势,日复一日,最近看到这等帖子,我扣分+删帖+封IP的心都有<img src="images/smilies/face-sad.png" align="absmiddle" border="0">——真不明白那些新手,既然要想把问题解决好,为何不把标题写得明白一点呢?
既然新手没有意识到这个问题,那么,我觉得管理层应该采取点措施才行——光靠几个版主发这种吃力不讨好的版务帖,非得把人逼疯了不可。初步想到如下几条措施:
1、限制新手发帖。比如规定在半个小时内或一个小时内或其他更合理的时间内不允许新手发帖;
2、强制新手阅读坛规。新手注册完毕的时候,弹出坛规窗口让新手阅读,若在半分钟之内(或其他更合理的时间内)关闭弹出窗口的话,自动重新打开,然后在一定时间之后才不再弹出——当然,此时弹出的坛规是精简版的,里面有完整版的链接,若非如此,新手肯定会被长篇大论的条款吓跑的;
3、修改标题栏的提示:现在的标题栏提示只标明了字符长度限制,若能增加让新手注意标题内容的提示,并以醒目字体字号颜色标注的话,则能在一定程度上减少随意取标题的现象。
以上三条措施,我觉得最可行、并且效果也比较好的是第3条。不知各位还有没有更好的办法。
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There are relatively many new users in the forum, and the titles of the posts they post are quite casual (even some posts of senior members are like this): "Help", "Ask for advice", "Batch processing problem", "Question about ××"... Many titles are either too general or unclear in meaning. The "Question about ××" has almost become an all-purpose universal title, and it is impossible to infer the general content of the post from the title, which is quite inconvenient for future searches and management. Almost every time I visit the forum, I have to post several version management posts to prompt to modify the title, and then I have to go to see if the original poster has modified the title after a while to take the next step. I have spent a lot of energy on such repetitive things and feel very tired. I was still very patient in the beginning, but even a clay figurine has its limits. Today I dealt with this one, and tomorrow another one pops up, and there is even a trend of increasing. Day after day, recently when I see such posts, I even have the heart to deduct points + delete the post + block the IP. I really don't understand those new users. Since they want to solve the problem well, why don't they write the title clearly?
Since the new users have not realized this problem, I think the management should take some measures. Relying only on a few moderators to post such thankless version management posts will definitely drive people crazy. I initially thought of the following several measures:
1. Limit new users' posting. For example, stipulate that new users are not allowed to post within half an hour or one hour or other more reasonable time;
2. Force new users to read the forum rules. When new users register, a pop-up window of the forum rules is popped up for new users to read. If the pop-up window is closed within half a minute (or other more reasonable time), it will be automatically reopened, and then it will not pop up after a certain time. Of course, the pop-up forum rules at this time are a streamlined version, with a link to the full version in it. Otherwise, new users will definitely be scared away by the long-winded clauses;
3. Modify the prompt in the title bar: The current title bar prompt only marks the character length limit. If a prompt for new users to pay attention to the title content is added and marked with eye-catching font size and color, it can reduce the phenomenon of casual title taking to a certain extent.
Among the above three measures, I think the third one is the most feasible and has a relatively good effect. I wonder if you have any better ways.
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如果发新贴的时候,在填写标题的时候有一个下拉菜单,下拉菜单内是论坛预先定好的标题,如:
[提问] [……]
[原创][类型……][自已的标题]
[讨论][类型……][自己的标题]
或是:下拉菜单只标示和选择发贴范围,如:[原创]或[提问]或[算法]或[什么……]
然后再由用户写贴子的标题,就象下面这种形式:
-------下拉菜单-- ---用户自写的-----
[在下拉菜单中选择的标题] [这里是用户自己补的标题]
如果论坛发贴前有一个下拉菜单的选项,如果分类比较科学,那么将来当论坛贴子越来越多时,论坛统计和版主整理教学.CHM等统计分类时,利用论坛那个下拉菜单所固定的某个范围就可以方便半自动分类了~:)
其它:或是新手第一次注册时,将接收到短消息,需要注意的事项等链接。
If when posting a new thread, when filling in the title, there is a drop-down menu, and the drop-down menu contains the titles pre-set by the forum, such as:
Or: The drop-down menu only marks and selects the posting range, such as or or or
Then the user writes the title of the thread, just like the following form:
-------Drop-down menu-- ---User-written-----
If there is a drop-down menu option before posting in the forum, if the classification is scientific, then when there are more and more threads in the forum, when the forum counts and the moderators sort teaching.CHM and other statistics, using a certain range fixed by the forum's that drop-down menu can facilitate semi-automatic classification~ : )
Other: Or when a new user registers for the first time, they will receive a private message, and links to matters needing attention, etc.
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写清楚得到解决的几率越大
The greater the chance of getting it resolved is clearly written
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借这个地方发点牢骚
1. 很多常见的问题,希望版主能够搜集整理成FAQ
2. 承上条,大家积极回答问题当然很好,不过,人都是很懒的,有的时候大家忙了,有的帖子就说“高手呢?高手都走了么?”、“求代码”、“紧急!!”等很不爽的字眼。我想问问,我给你直接的代码,你的收获又有多少呢?
3. 有的帖子,一看就是要代码,不是诚心请教技术,不是讨论interesting问题的,建议都不要理。
很多技术论坛,比如我钟爱的 51js.com ,都变成了FAQ的海洋,都讨论一些没有深度,隔几周重复一次的老问题,我不希望这种现象在 CN-DOS 发生。要记住:我们没有义务给微软做免费的技术支持,我们只是对DOS、批处理、脚本感兴趣。我们没有给代码的义务!
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Take this place to vent some grievances
1. Many common problems, I hope the moderators can collect and sort them into a FAQ.
2. Following the previous point, it's great that everyone actively answers questions, but people are all lazy. Sometimes when everyone is busy, some posts say words like "Where are the experts? Have all the experts left?", "Please provide code", "Urgent!!" which are very unpleasant. I want to ask, how much do you gain if I give you the code directly?
3. Some posts are obviously asking for code, not sincerely seeking technical advice, not discussing interesting issues, and it is suggested to ignore them.
Many technical forums, such as my beloved 51js.com, have become a sea of FAQs, discussing some shallow, old problems that repeat every few weeks. I don't want this phenomenon to happen in CN-DOS. Remember: We have no obligation to provide free technical support for Microsoft; we are only interested in DOS, batch processing, and scripts. We have no obligation to provide code!
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Originally posted by electronixtar at 2007-1-13 06:32:
借这个地方发点牢骚
1. 很多常见的问题,希望版主能够搜集整理成FAQ
2. 承上条,大家积极回答问题当然很好,不过,人都是很懒的,有的时候大家 ...
严重同意 2,3条
Originally posted by electronixtar at 2007-1-13 06:32:
Take this opportunity to vent some grievances
1. Many common problems, I hope the moderators can collect and organize into a FAQ
2. Following the previous point, it's good for everyone to actively answer questions, but, people are very lazy, sometimes everyone...
Completely agree with points 2 and 3
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关于新手发帖限制的问题,其实大约两三个月前就已经限制刚注册的20分钟之内不允许新手发帖了。
关于标题栏的提示,我刚已加上以下这句话:
注意:标题请尽量表意明确、清晰,能大概反映帖子内容,而不要使用诸如“请帮忙”、“大家看看”、“新手请教”之类含糊不清的标题。
Regarding the issue of posting restrictions for new users, in fact, about two or three months ago, there was already a restriction that new users registered within 20 minutes are not allowed to post.
Regarding the prompt in the title bar, I have just added the following sentence:
Note: Please try to make the title clear and meaningful, which can roughly reflect the content of the post, and do not use vague titles such as "Please help", "Everyone take a look", "Newcomer asks for advice".
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Originally posted by redtek at 2007-1-11 09:12 AM:
如果发新贴的时候,在填写标题的时候有一个下拉菜单,下拉菜单内是论坛预先定好的标题,如:
[提问] [……]
[原创][类型… ...
是个好主意。我刚才已试着在发新帖时的标题栏下加入了一个“插入类型”下拉菜单,里面可以在标题中插入如批处理室版规中所提到的、、、、、、等值。
Originally posted by redtek at 2007-1-11 09:12 AM:
If when creating a new post, there is a dropdown menu when filling in the title, and the dropdown menu contains titles predefined by the forum, such as:
It's a good idea. I just tried to add a "Insert Type" dropdown menu under the title bar when creating a new post, and it can insert values like , , , , , , mentioned in the batch processing room rules into the title.
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Originally posted by Wengier at 2007-1-13 08:31:
关于标题栏的提示,我刚已加上以下这句话:
注意:标题请尽量表意明确、清晰,能大概反映帖子内容,而不要使用诸如“请帮忙”、“大家看看”、“新手请教”之类含糊不清的标题。
有这个提示就好,先观察一段时间,看看效果如何——建议提示的颜色换成红色,这样更醒目一点,因为放在标题框的下边而不是后边,发帖子的时候,如果不是下意识去找的话,很容易忽略掉的。
Originally posted by Wengier at 2007-1-13 08:31:
Regarding the title bar prompt, I just added the following sentence:
Note: Please try to make the title clear and expressive, roughly reflecting the content of the post, and do not use ambiguous titles such as "Please help", "Everyone take a look", "Newcomer asks for advice" and so on.
It's good to have this prompt. Let's observe for a while and see how it works - it is suggested to change the color of the prompt to red, which is more eye-catching. Because it is placed below the title box instead of behind it, when posting, if you don't consciously look for it, it is easy to be ignored.
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嘿嘿,有同感``乱七八糟的什么问题都有哦
Hehe, I feel the same way. There are all kinds of problems.
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Originally posted by namejm at 2007-1-14 09:21 AM:
有这个提示就好,先观察一段时间,看看效果如何——建议提示的颜色换成红色,这样更醒目一点,因为放在标题框的下边而不是后边,发帖子 ...
我已将“注意”的颜色改为红色。我担心如果红色字体的内容若太多的话可能会让一些新手不敢发帖,所以这样也许更好些。
I have changed the color of "Notice" to red. I'm worried that if there's too much content in red font, it might make some new users hesitant to post, so this might be better.
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所谓杀鸡给猴看,我看Wengier要不封几个ID他们是不会按照论坛规定办事的,早就说将论坛的注册功能关闭,虽然会影响访问量,但这样无休止的免费注册下去垃圾难免会很多,垃圾用户垃圾帖子都会很多,还是好好考虑一下吧
The so-called "kill the chicken to scare the monkey", I think if Wengier doesn't ban a few IDs, they won't act in accordance with the forum regulations. I've long said to close the registration function of the forum. Although it will affect the traffic, but if there's endless free registration, there will inevitably be a lot of garbage. There will be many garbage users and garbage posts. Still, think it over carefully.
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electronixtar
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嘿嘿,有同感``乱七八糟的什么问题都有哦
就是。很多问题根本和DOS/批处理不沾边,我们是DOS联盟还是WIN联盟啊?
Hehe, I can relate``There are all kinds of random problems oh
Exactly. Many problems have nothing to do with DOS/batch processing at all. Are we the DOS Union or the WIN Union?
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