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楼住带有极强烈的个人感情色彩,反而可以看出来你对windows编程不大了解,或者说你有能力了解DOS,没能力了解WINDOWS(这话听起来不客气哈,没别的意思别误会哈),WINDOWS虽然不开放,但谁都不该怀疑他的逻辑性,严密性,完备性(难道有人能说WINDOWS做的不好),如果说应用程序的功能不完善只能从自身找问题拉。
The poster has a very strong personal emotional color, but it can be seen that you don't know much about Windows programming, or that you have the ability to understand DOS but not the ability to understand WINDOWS (this statement sounds unfriendly, but there's no other meaning, don't misunderstand), although Windows is not open, no one should doubt its logic, rigor, and completeness (can anyone say that Windows is not well done), if the function of the application program is not perfect, you can only find the problem from yourself.
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佩服! 好好学习天天向上!~~
Admired! Study hard and make progress every day!~~
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呵呵 多多指教啊~!! 牛人`!!!!!!
Hehe, please give me more advice~! Great person!!!!!
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Originally posted by Again at 2007-12-17 10:31 PM:
非也,现在存储器的价格太低了,2G的内存多少钱?1G的存储卡多少钱?
只要做好电磁兼容,恶劣的环境下WINDOWS也能正常稳定的工作,
WINDOWS比DOS稳定得多!这 ...
<img src="images/smilies/face-smile-big.png" align="absmiddle" border="0">难道卫星在天上,你安个功耗80瓦的cpu?还有巨大的硬盘和内存,那是不是还要散热器啊?太阳能帆板也是很贵的……楼主的cpu功耗仅0.9瓦,还能降低……我国最先进的鱼雷,仍然用486控制的……如果要求实时控制,windows就更难以接受了……工业和军事控制,楼主的那种cpu军工级可以在-50~+150摄氏度范围工作的,能在那种环境工作的cpu一般频率都不高,跑windows困难,另外嵌入式控制一般是不用硬盘的,哪找那么大的存储器啊?
Originally posted by Again at 2007-12-17 10:31 PM:
No, now the price of memory is too low. How much is a 2G memory? How much is a 1G memory card?
As long as electromagnetic compatibility is well done, Windows can work normally and stably in harsh environments.
Windows is much more stable than DOS! This...
:DIs the satellite in the sky, do you install a CPU with a power consumption of 80 watts? And huge hard drives and memory, then do you still need a radiator? Solar panels are also very expensive... The CPU in the building only has a power consumption of 0.9 watts, which can be reduced... The most advanced torpedo in my country still uses a 486 control... If real-time control is required, Windows is even more unacceptable... For industrial and military control, the CPU of the building can work in the range of -50~+150 degrees Celsius. CPUs that can work in that environment generally have a low frequency, and it is difficult to run Windows. In addition, embedded control generally does not use a hard drive. Where can I find such a large memory?
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Originally posted by moonf at 2007-12-28 10:53 AM:
:D难道卫星在天上,你安个功耗80瓦的cpu?还有巨大的硬盘和内存,那是不是还要散热器啊?太阳能帆板也是很贵的……楼主的cpu功耗仅0.9瓦,还能降 ...
你以为WINDOWS只能在P3,P4的CPU上跑????
你太无知了吧,另外windows也包括的wince,你不会没听说过吧?
超低功耗CPU太多了,你先弄清楚了再来!
我说的windows广义的包括了linux等一批高级的复杂的操作系统,不单单指MS的那个windows!
Originally posted by moonf at 2007-12-28 10:53 AM:
:D Could it be that the satellite is in the sky, and you install a CPU with a power consumption of 80 watts? There are also huge hard drives and memory, and then do you still need a radiator? Solar panels are also very expensive... The CPU power consumption mentioned by the landlord is only 0.9 watts, and it can still be reduced...
Do you think that WINDOWS can only run on P3, P4 CPUs????
You are too ignorant, besides, WINDOWS also includes Wince, haven't you heard of it?
There are too many ultra-low power consumption CPUs, you figure it out first before coming!
What I said about windows generally includes a batch of advanced and complex operating systems such as linux, not just the MS one!
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引用:我国最先进的鱼雷,仍然用486控制的..
你见过??你确定,控制鱼雷根本不需要操作系统!不是任何工业控制都需要操作系统的!
引用:嵌入式控制一般是不用硬盘的
当然了,硬盘不稳定,但可以用存储卡之类的,而且现在电子硬盘也出来了,价格很快会降下去的
引用:能在那种环境工作的cpu一般频率都不高,跑windows困难
有100M就可以跑WINDOWS,windows要求CPU高仅仅是因为多媒体绘制!你如果不需要多媒体的话CPU再烂都没问题!
我们用操作系统的目的是什么??你们搞清楚没有?
1.通用稳定的平台
2.方便我们写程序!
谁要是说在DOS下写程序要比在WINDOWS下方便的话,那肯定是没在WINDOWS下写过程序!光是简单的多线程,DOS就很难做到!(当然可以做到,但调试复杂,写也很复杂)
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Quote: China's most advanced torpedoes still use 486 control..
Have you seen it?? Are you sure, controlling a torpedo doesn't need an operating system at all! Not all industrial controls need an operating system!
Quote: Embedded control generally doesn't use a hard disk
Of course, hard disks are unstable, but you can use memory cards and the like, and now electronic hard disks have come out, and the price will drop soon
Quote: CPUs that can work in that environment generally have a low frequency, and it's difficult to run Windows
You can run Windows with 100M. The high CPU requirement of Windows is only because of multimedia drawing! If you don't need multimedia, no matter how bad the CPU is, it's okay!
What is the purpose of us using an operating system?? Have you figured it out?
1. General stable platform
2. Convenient for us to write programs!
Whoever says that writing programs under DOS is more convenient than under Windows must have never written programs under Windows! Just simple multi-threading, DOS is very difficult to do! (Of course it can be done, but debugging is complicated, and writing is also complicated)
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DOS唯一的优势就是这个硬件系统和软件系统便宜!而且确实能做很多事,很复杂的控制也能做!
这符合中国国情!
但这样下去只会使我们的技术远远落后于国外!
醒醒吧
The only advantage of DOS is that this hardware system and software system are cheap! And indeed, a lot of things can be done, and very complex controls can also be done!
This is in line with China's national conditions!
But if it goes on like this, it will only make our technology lag far behind foreign countries!
Wake up!
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顶起,版主坛主N年不露面
Bump up, the moderators haven't shown up for years
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羨慕中……每次回來都會看到一些帖子讓我心澎湃
Envious... Every time I come back, I will see some posts that make my heart surge
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Originally posted by Again at 2007-12-28 11:28 AM:
DOS唯一的优势就是这个硬件系统和软件系统便宜!而且确实能做很多事,很复杂的控制也能做!
这符合中国国情!
但这样下去只会使我们的技术远远落后于国外!
醒醒吧
选择什么操作系统,主要是看你做什么用。具体问题具体分析
相信目前很多程序员都是win下编写的。但是你要知道,DOS下直接操作硬件,效率 要高很多,对于某些要求速度快的地方,win是很无奈的。你说100M就很快?除非只运行系统……我承认,我只是业余爱好者
在我看来,dos是一个简洁高效的系统,windows是一个易用丰富的系统,dos适合不需要图形界面,对速度、效率,体积要求高的场合,适合专业的,熟悉底层的程序员;
win适合办公,娱乐等图形界面和多媒体应用,适合大众程序员。
微软为你封装一切,win下编程和搭积木差不多,底层的操作都是微软封装好的。这和dos下是不一样的。就好像你问我51单片机和P4哪个好一样,有比么?
Originally posted by Again at 2007-12-28 11:28 AM:
The only advantage of DOS is that this hardware system and software system are cheap! And it can indeed do many things, and very complex controls can also be done!
This is in line with China's national conditions!
But if this continues, it will only make our technology far behind foreign countries!
Wake up
Choosing what operating system mainly depends on what you use it for. Specific issues are analyzed specifically
I believe that many programmers are currently writing under Windows. But you need to know that directly operating hardware under DOS is much more efficient. For some places that require fast speed, Windows is very helpless. You say 100M is very fast? Unless only the system is running... I admit, I'm just an amateur
In my opinion, DOS is a simple and efficient system, Windows is an easy-to-use and rich system. DOS is suitable for occasions that do not require a graphical interface and have high requirements for speed, efficiency, and volume, and are suitable for professional and bottom-layer familiar programmers;
Windows is suitable for office, entertainment and other graphical interface and multimedia applications, and is suitable for mass programmers.
Microsoft encapsulates everything for you. Programming under Windows is like building blocks. The underlying operations are all encapsulated by Microsoft. This is different from under DOS. It's like you ask me which is better between 51 single-chip microcomputer and P4. Is there a comparison?
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真的羡慕你们的能力。我们现在也就只是在Windows上转转
Really envy your abilities. We are just moving around on Windows now
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对于嵌入式应用来说,主要采用的操作系统是“DOS”、“Linux“、“Win CE”等等,采用何种操作系统,一般考虑:
(1)系统的体积、功耗
(2)系统的复杂度
(3)企业编程员对该系统下编程的熟练程度
(4)系统代码的维护成本
(5)版权费
一般来说,单线程场合采用“DOS”系统较好,“多任务”场合使用“Linux/WinCE”较好。
很多人有一个错误的观点:“凡是DOS下写出来的嵌入式应用就是低档的、落后的,凡是Windows或Unix下写出来的嵌入式应用就是高档的”,这个观点非常不对,我们必须打破“两个凡是”的思想,不要迷信,必竞我们是搞科研的!
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For embedded applications, the main operating systems used are "DOS", "Linux", "Win CE", etc. The choice of which operating system to use generally considers:
(1) System volume and power consumption
(2) System complexity
(3) The proficiency of enterprise programmers in programming under this system
(4) Maintenance cost of system code
(5) Copyright fees
Generally speaking, the "DOS" system is better for single-threaded scenarios, and "Linux/WinCE" is better for "multitasking" scenarios.
Many people have a wrong view: "Any embedded application written under DOS is low-end and backward, and any embedded application written under Windows or Unix is high-end". This view is very wrong. We must break the "two凡是" ideology and not be superstitious. After all, we are engaged in scientific research!
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至少在DOS下控制下硬件要比WINDOWS方便的多,而且如果是做嵌入式的实时性方面也要好于WINDOWS来控制.对系统的资源比WINDOWS也要小的多.我是搞纺织机械方面的我发现在这方面的用到WINDOWS的操作系统来做很少.dos这个系统你可以配合UC/OS来做多任务即使在当前USB口流行的情况下dos下也有加个驱动加个IC就可以读写U盘之类的方便的DOS这个系统做为控制确实很稳定
At least under DOS, controlling hardware is much more convenient than under WINDOWS. Also, for real-time performance in embedded systems, it is better than WINDOWS control. The system resource consumption is much smaller than that of WINDOWS. I am in the textile machinery field and find that the use of WINDOWS operating systems for this area is very rare. The DOS system can be combined with UC/OS for multi-tasking. Even in the current era of popular USB ports, there are drivers and ICs that can be added under DOS to easily read and write USB drives, etc. The DOS system is indeed very stable for control.
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越看越糊涂了。
It's getting more and more confusing.
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顶,我一直在dos下开发,用allegro+djgpp,盼望交流.QQ:729504816
Top, I've been developing under DOS all the time, using allegro + djgpp, looking forward to communication. QQ: 729504816
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