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[讨论]关于成立WMIC版块
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论坛恢复之际,有人建议设立一个WMIC版块,从批处理版块中独立出来。不知道大家决定是否有必要?
When the forum is restored, some people suggested setting up a WMIC section, independent from the batch processing section. I wonder if everyone thinks it's necessary?
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风闻WMIC十分强悍,但是一直没能入门,可能论坛里的很多人都是这样的。如果已经物色到了WMIC高手的话,新开版块将会带动这方面的讨论;如果没有这方面的人选,新开版块很可能无人问津,可以考虑暂缓一段时间。BTW,感觉powershell版块已经陷入尴尬了。
I've heard that WMIC is very powerful, but I've never been able to get started. Maybe many people in the forum are like this. If a WMIC expert has already been found, the new section will stimulate discussions in this area; if there are no such people, the new section is likely to be ignored, and we can consider delaying for a while. By the way, I feel that the PowerShell section has fallen into an awkward situation.
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我不同意楼上说法,因为POWERSHELL毕竟跟P处理和DOS关系不是太过密切,而且还需安装特定的程序,运行环境和测试环境都不如WMIC好,想想,现在大家基本上都安装XP系统,也就是说大家都有这个测试环境,接下来就是怎么学习的问题了
I disagree with the above statement because after all, the relationship between POWERSHELL and P processing and DOS is not too close, and it also requires installing specific programs. The running environment and test environment are not as good as WMIC. Think about it, now everyone basically installs the XP system, that is to say, everyone has this test environment, and the next step is the question of how to learn.
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一直不支持再开新版
现在板块已经太多了
在现有板块中加上新的讨论项目也无不可
It has always not supported opening a new version again. Now there are already too many sections. It is not impossible to add new discussion items in the existing sections.
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建议新手入门和疑难解答合并,把2006年12月31日前的主题全部锁定,看看新手入门那几个整天挂在上面的帖子吧,里面的回贴乱得不得了,比灌水乐园还热闹。
如果开wmic版块,先选出个对wmic比较热衷并且在行的版主较好。
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It is suggested that the beginner's entry and troubleshooting be merged, and all topics before December 31, 2006 be locked. Take a look at those few posts in the beginner's entry that have been hanging there all the time. The replies in them are extremely chaotic, no noisier than the Water Park.
If a WMIC section is opened, it is better to first select a moderator who is more enthusiastic and proficient in WMIC.
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我觉得没有必要开WMIC版快,可以在批处理室讨论,而且版块多了难以管理,除非有几个合适的版主来管理。
I think there's no need to open a WMIC section. We can discuss in the batch processing room. Also, having too many sections is hard to manage, unless there are a few suitable section moderators to manage it.
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楼上的,你还嫌批处理室不够热闹吗?如果不嫌热闹,搞的乱七八糟那就放,我看谁能关注
Upstairs, do you still think the batch processing room isn't noisy enough? If you don't mind it being messy, just post it. Let's see who will care
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我看还是表开
1.会的人不多
2.环境?要知道wxp不是每个人的机器都能运行
3.看powershell
I think it's still better not to start.
1. Not many people know how to do it.
2. Environment? You know that Windows XP doesn't run on everyone's machine.
3. Look at PowerShell
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就你这三点理由也叫理由???没有一个能够真正说服别人的
会的人不多,如果会的人多才开那就不叫DOS联盟了,就不能追随时代了
测试环境你说有问题,用XP的人少,好,顺便对大家所用系统调查一下,看看究竟有多少人在用XP
别让我看POWERSHELL,如果他是系统本身自带的,我敢说他不比CMD SHELL差哪里去,不论是功能方面和灵活性,可他不是自带的,需要安装,通用性并不是很好
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Those three reasons of yours are called reasons??? None of them can really persuade others.
There aren't many people who can do it. If there were many people who could do it, then it wouldn't be called the DOS Union, and it wouldn't be able to follow the times.
You said the test environment has problems, and there are few people using XP. Okay, by the way, let's conduct a survey on the systems that everyone uses to see how many people are actually using XP.
Don't make me look at POWERSHELL. If it's built into the system itself, I dare say it's not much worse than the CMD SHELL, whether in terms of functionality or flexibility, but it's not built-in, it needs to be installed, and its universality isn't very good.
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对于个人用户来说,目前XP是主流操作系统,当然,对于高级玩家圈子里的人来说,看到的主流操作系统可能就是Linux、Unix之类的非Windows系统了。
其实,我觉得开与不开新版块的关键,并不在于这方面的资料是否丰富,会的人是不是够多(如果大家都会了,似乎也就用不着讨论什么了),而是在于是否有在这方面有足够研究的人士能常驻于此,否则,大家都是半吊子水平,都在重复低水平的话题,那就和闲聊没什么两样了。
个人觉得,WMIC主要是面向系统管理人员,对大众的吸引力可能不是太大——虽然技术狂热份子会欣喜若狂,所以,作为批处理下的一个子版块这个方案也可以考虑一下。
For individual users, currently XP is the mainstream operating system. Of course, for people in the advanced gamer circle, the mainstream operating systems they see may be non - Windows systems such as Linux, Unix, etc.
In fact, I think the key to whether to open a new section does not lie in whether the information in this regard is rich and whether there are enough people who know it (if everyone knows it, it seems that there is no need to discuss anything), but lies in whether there are enough people who have sufficient research in this regard to stay here all the time. Otherwise, everyone is at a half - baked level and is repeating low - level topics, which is no different from chatting.
Personally, I think WMIC is mainly for system administrators, and its appeal to the public may not be too great - although technology fanatics will be ecstatic. So, the plan of taking it as a sub - section under batch processing can also be considered.
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本来对于WMIC兴致挺高,看来也没有必要在这里讨论来讨论去的啦,你们自便吧......现在的人越来越懒惰了,一句没有资料或者资料太少就否定对其的学习态度,这样人永远赶不上时代的潮流,因为他对于时代的变化有胆怯之心.....
Originally, I was quite interested in WMIC, but it seems there's no need to discuss it here anymore. You all do as you like... Nowadays, people are getting lazier and lazier. Just one reason like "no information or too little information" to deny the learning attitude towards it. Such people will never keep up with the trend of the times, because they have a timid heart towards the changes of the times...
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我觉得可以在大板块中设小版块,然后在首页对子版块进行链接就可以了.
I think we can set up sub - sections in the large section, and then link to the sub - sections on the homepage.
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同意namejm的说法
论坛的主要作用就是在于交流
如果没有三个以上比较稳定在线的高手
那么新版块的开设起不到积极的促进作用的
比如powershell区能者只有tigerpower一人
就他也因为没有形成良好的讨论气氛而不知所终了
再比如Grub4DOS区的大家也只有作者不点一人
大多高手都集中在syssoft
如果短期内没有更多的高手加入
我怀疑它的活力还能保持多久
至于实时区就更冷门了
建议尽早关并,省的浪费页面空间
剩下的
开发室偶尔还有郭恒、GOTOmsdos等撑撑门面
汉化室也有yaya、本是等亮眼一下
解答室好像现在Climbing又比较勤快了
总之一句话,论坛要发展还得靠人才
有人才就有了人气
而吸引人才除了轻松的交流气氛
还要有一个相对纯净的讨论环境
比如像批处理室现在那个样子
我已经不大想去了
Agree with namejm's statement.
The main function of the forum is communication. If there are not more than three relatively stable online experts, then the opening of a new section will not play a positive promoting role.
For example, in the PowerShell section, the only capable person is tigerpower. Even he ended up at a loss because a good discussion atmosphere was not formed.
For another example, in the Grub4DOS section, everyone is only the author Budian. Most experts are concentrated in syssoft. If more experts do not join in the short term, I doubt how long its vitality can be maintained.
As for the real-time section, it is even more unpopular. It is suggested to close it as soon as possible to save page space.
The rest:
In the Development Room, occasionally Guo Heng, GOTOmsdos and others support the scene. In the Localization Room, there are also yaya, Ben Shi and others shining. In the Q&A Room, it seems that Climbing is more diligent now.
In a word, for the forum to develop, it still depends on talents. With talents, there is popularity. And to attract talents, in addition to a relaxed communication atmosphere, there also needs to be a relatively pure discussion environment.
For example, the way the Batch Processing Room is now, I don't really want to go there anymore.
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