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说得很好,其实我发现初学者往往只是不知道怎么利用网络的资源,所以才会提出一些在老手看来比较“幼稚”的问题。
其实在网络上“淘金”还是有技巧的,而我自己是这样寻找帮助的:(在使用MSDN搜索过,并找不到满意的答案的前提下)
1、首先使用
http://www.google.com
例如,前段时间我想找一个对话框淡入淡出的源代码,我就在google里使用了下面的关键字:
AnimateWindow 例子代码 SDK
注意要全部输入进去,很快我就找到了一大堆,满足了我的要求。
这种方法通常可以解决50%的问题。
2、如果用google解决不了的话(有时候会找到的太多了,以至于完全没用),那么我会在
http://www.csdn.net
里面对应的版块搜索。如果问题比较常见,那么在这里通常都能得到解决。
3、如果CSDN找不到我要的东西,那么我会去下面的站点(国内)找找有没有源代码:
http://www.vchelp.net
http://www.vckbase.com
运气好的话,会有现成的,呵呵。
4、国内的网站找不到的话,我会去外国的网站找源代码,最经常去,并且强烈推荐的是这些:
http://www.codeguru.com
几乎有我想要的所有VC类源代码,尤其是做界面的类库!
http://www.codeproject.com
这个的速度比较慢,但是往往也会有收获。
5、如果还是没找到,我会到外国的论坛进行搜索,我经常去的论坛有:
http://board.win32asmcommunity.net
http://www.codeguru.com/forum
http://board.anticrack.de
通常第一个论坛就能完全满足我的要求了(因为它是大名鼎鼎的Iczelion的汇编论坛),特别是加密算法、PE……应有尽有,爽啊,呵呵。
6、如果……最后我会使出杀手锏,去新闻组(newsgroup):
http://www.deja.com
这个搜索引擎能搜索到很多有用的信息。
其实老鸟和菜鸟的区别,往往只是在于会不会利用资源,搜索引擎是很重要的手段。别看很多老鸟好像从来不提问题,而且还能回答新人的问题,好像他们什么都懂似的,其实他们并没那么厉害,只不过完全可以通过自己的搜索找到答案,所以不需要提问……
最后,如果大家有兴趣,可以到下面的链接看看各种搜索引擎的利用技巧(包括怎么使自己的主页在搜索引擎中的排名提前):
http://www.searchengineforum.com
That's very well said. Actually, I've noticed that beginners often just don't know how to make use of online resources, which is why they come up with some questions that seem "naive" to veterans.
In fact, there are techniques for "panning for gold" on the web, and this is how I seek help: (Under the premise that after searching MSDN and not finding a satisfactory answer)
1. First, use
http://www.google.com
For example, some time ago I wanted to find source code for a dialog box fade-in and fade-out effect. I used the following keywords in Google:
AnimateWindow example code SDK
Make sure to enter all of them. I quickly found a whole bunch that met my requirements.
This method usually solves 50% of the problems.
2. If Google can't solve it (sometimes there are too many results and they're completely useless), then I'll search in the corresponding sections on
http://www.csdn.net
If the problem is common, it can usually be solved here.
3. If CSDN doesn't have what I'm looking for, then I'll go to the following domestic sites to see if there's source code:
http://www.vchelp.net
http://www.vckbase.com
If I'm lucky, there'll be ready-made ones, heh.
4. If I can't find it on domestic websites, I'll go to foreign websites to find source code. The ones I go to most often and strongly recommend are these:
http://www.codeguru.com
There are almost all the VC class source codes I need, especially interface-related class libraries!
http://www.codeproject.com
This is slower, but often yields results.
5. If I still can't find it, I'll go to foreign forums to search. The forums I often go to are:
http://board.win32asmcommunity.net
http://www.codeguru.com/forum
http://board.anticrack.de
Usually the first forum can fully meet my requirements (because it's the famous Iczelion's assembly forum), especially for encryption algorithms, PE... it has everything, cool, heh.
6. If... finally I'll use the trump card and go to newsgroups (newsgroup):
http://www.deja.com
This search engine can find a lot of useful information.
Actually, the difference between old-timers and newbies often lies in whether they know how to use resources. Search engines are a very important tool. Don't think that many old-timers never ask questions and can answer newbies' questions as if they know everything. Actually, they're not that amazing; it's just that they can completely find the answers through their own searches, so they don't need to ask...
Finally, if everyone is interested, you can go to the following link to see various search engine utilization techniques (including how to make your own homepage rank higher in search engines):
http://www.searchengineforum.com
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哎,这个论坛人气不足、技术有限……
大多数都是为破解而来的,功利心太强,没有几个真正想学而又能学、能谈论编程的……
没意思了:(……
Hey, this forum has insufficient popularity and limited technology...
Most people are here for cracking, with too strong a utilitarian mindset. There aren't many who truly want to learn and can learn and discuss programming...
It's boring : (...
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下面引用由老罗在 2003/01/24 03:45pm 发表的内容:
说得很好,其实我发现初学者往往只是不知道怎么利用网络的资源,所以才会提出一些在老手看来比较“幼稚”的问题。
其实在网络上“淘金”还是有技巧的,而我自己是这样寻找帮助的:(在使用MSDN搜索过,并找不到 ...
不懂得学习方法的人天天乱问,问题简单、幼稚,其实看看书,系统学习某个主题,之后就会有一个明了的答案,我的学问一般是在读书、查资料中获得的,在程序中实践的,不会学习的人只会傻问。
The following is the content quoted by Lao Luo on 2003/01/24 03:45pm:
It's very well said. In fact, I find that beginners often just don't know how to make use of the resources on the network, so they put forward some questions that seem "naive" to veterans.
In fact, there are skills in "panning for gold" on the network, and this is how I look for help: (after searching with MSDN and not finding...
People who don't know learning methods ask randomly every day. The questions are simple and naive. In fact, if you read books and systematically learn a certain topic, then there will be a clear answer. My knowledge is generally obtained from reading books and looking up materials, and practiced in programs. People who don't know how to learn will only ask stupidly.
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我想提醒 dREAMtHEATER 一句话是“察深无徒”!
菜鸟上这来在论坛上发贴总是希望得到点帮助, 回贴都是自愿的! 让不同的人回答不同层次的问题吧!
I want to remind dREAMtHEATER of a sentence: "There are no followers in deep observation"!
Newbies coming here to post on the forum always hope to get some help. Replies are all voluntary! Let different people answer questions of different levels!
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这个贴子最后由kanxue在 2003/04/23 04:12pm 第 6 次编辑]
请一些网友发帖时,使用含义丰富,描述准确的标题
但最近诸如下面一些帖子很多:(下面这类帖子将直接删除!)
1、。
2、帮忙呀。
3、救命呀!
4、菜鸟请教!
5、
6、高手帮忙呀!
由于主题太简单,不能反映帖子内容,所以这些帖子一般人不愿点击进入回帖的(大家都很忙,只会根据主题选择感兴趣的帖子查看),这样你就得不到大家帮助了。
我看到此类主题的帖子,即使知道答案,一般也不愿意回帖。
This post was last edited by kanxue on 2003/04/23 04:12pm for the 6th time.
Please some netizens to use titles that are rich in meaning and accurately descriptive when posting.
But recently, there are many posts like the following: (Such posts will be directly deleted!)
1、
2、Help me.
3、Help!
4、Novice asks for advice!
5、
6、Expert help me!
Because the topic is too simple and cannot reflect the content of the post, so generally people are not willing to click in and reply to such posts (everyone is very busy, and will only view the posts they are interested in according to the topic), so you will not get everyone's help.
I see posts with such topics, even if I know the answer, I generally don't want to reply.
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以下是引用小灵儿在2003-4-28 12:03:46的发言:
那我就是那种不会学习的人了。不好意思。
晕,不是说你的。。。
上面这些贴都是转贴的,从win32asm编程论坛转贴过来的。。。
The following is a quote from Xiao Ling'er at 12:03:46 on April 28, 2003:
Then I am the kind of person who doesn't know how to study. I'm sorry.
Dizzy, not talking about you...
The above posts are all reprinted, reprinted from the win32asm programming forum...
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所以你是灌水天王啊。。。
So you are the water king ah...
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KO像這種文章應該放在精華區,會比較好吧!!
KO, this kind of article should be placed in the essence area, which would be better, right!!
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我觉得说的很对 一语点破我们的本质啊 哈哈 不过介于个人的实力 我还在baidu 我百度一般都是百度我的思维 那些Google Hacking( 类似通配符搜索 ) 我在学习中 用的很少
但是 我和你不同的是 我遇到问题 并不会直接去搜索过往经验 亦或 搜索得到的知名网站去找答案 我会先在 搜索引擎进行搜索 因为 你可以遇到 发现 更好的未知的网站哦~
I think what you said is very right. It directly hits the essence of us. Haha. But considering my own ability, I'm still on Baidu. I usually Baidu my thinking. Those Google Hacking (similar to wildcard search) I'm learning and don't use much. But the difference between me and you is that when I encounter a problem, I don't directly search for past experiences or well-known websites for answers. I will first search on the search engine because you can encounter and discover better unknown websites.
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