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新DOS时代的这个论坛为何选用DVBBS?
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新DOS时代的这个论坛为何选用DVBBS?
用DVBBS实在是太差了,打开速度慢得无法承受,搜索功能弱弱。没有好的搜索功能,论坛的作用缩小十倍呀。
还有每个页面的广告头也太大了,常常是打开一屏,不把滚动条拖下来就看不到任何贴子。(上面全是广告头。)大家都不这个网站了,还会不知道这个网站的网址吗?
强烈建议论坛改版,用PHPBB之类的PHP论坛较好。
挺喜欢DOS,我现在的产品里也大量采用DOS下的开发的程序。但这个论坛的形式实在让人很烦。(烦它但又不得不来,更烦。)
以下是本论坛每页都有的广告头: 有必要吗??????
中國DOS聯盟
-- 联合DOS 推动DOS 发展DOS --
中国DOS联盟首页:http://dosuni.2ya.com/
DOS,代表着自由开放与发展,我们努力起来,学习FreeDOS和Linux的自由开放与GNU精神,共同创造和发展美好的自由与GNU GPL世界吧!
本论坛永久域名:http://dosbbs.2ya.com/
要下载/阅读各类DOS软件和DOS资料,请到:http://newdos.yginfo.net/
Why does this forum in the new DOS era choose DVBBS?
Using DVBBS is really too bad. The opening speed is unacceptably slow, and the search function is very weak. Without a good search function, the role of the forum is reduced by ten times.
Also, the advertisement header on each page is too large. Often, you open a screen and can't see any posts without dragging the scrollbar down. (The top is all advertisement headers.) Everyone doesn't use this website anymore, so do they still not know the URL of this website?
Strongly suggest that the forum be redesigned, and using a PHP forum like PHPBB is better.
I really like DOS, and I also use a large number of programs developed under DOS in my current products. But the form of this forum is really annoying. (Annoyed but have to come, even more annoyed.)
The following is the advertisement header that each page of this forum has: Is it necessary??????
China DOS Union
-- Unite DOS, Promote DOS, Develop DOS --
China DOS Union homepage: http://dosuni.2ya.com/
DOS represents freedom, openness, and development. We work hard to learn the freedom, openness, and GNU spirit of FreeDOS and Linux, and jointly create and develop a beautiful free and GNU GPL world!
This forum's permanent domain name: http://dosbbs.2ya.com/
To download/read various DOS software and DOS materials, please go to: http://newdos.yginfo.net/
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我也是觉得网页界面有一种“头重脚轻”的感觉,应该改一改,
速度慢,我原以为是我的网速慢,结果大家都一样啊。
I also feel that the web interface has a "top-heavy" feeling, it should be changed. The speed is slow, I originally thought it was my slow internet speed, but it's the same for everyone.
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我也觉得应该换了!上面说的PHP论坛我觉得很强大
建议<img src="images/smilies/face-raspberry.png" align="absmiddle" border="0">OSTNUKE/PHP-NUKE+PHPBB2
可能有些地方要汉化一下.现在好象没有全套的简体中文的.
请予以考虑~
I also think it should be replaced! The PHP forum mentioned above I think is very powerful. Suggestion: POSTNUKE/PHP-NUKE + PHPBB2. Maybe some places need to be localized into Chinese. Now it seems there is no complete simplified Chinese version. Please consider it~
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动网BBS的关键缺陷是没有良好的论坛全文搜索功能。这与ASP的机制有关,几乎所有的ASP论坛,如果开放了全文搜索的话,论坛的速度就会更慢更慢了。
坛主可以考虑用PHPBB类的论坛。可以找到动网BBS数据库转到PHPBB的软件,转换之后,所有的贴子及用户信息都会保留。
PHPBB的论坛的搜索功能是很强大的,一个论坛其实功能差一点也没关系,关键是要有好的搜索功能。论坛不是一个流水日记,而是一个资料库,资料库太需要全文搜索了!!!!!
这个论坛的速度慢是公认的事实,并不是网速慢所能解释的了的。
The key flaw of Discuz! BBS is the lack of a good full-text search function for the forum. This is related to the mechanism of ASP. Almost all ASP forums, if full-text search is enabled, will become even slower and slower.
Forum owners can consider using PHPBB - like forums. There are software available to transfer the Discuz! BBS database to PHPBB. After conversion, all posts and user information will be retained.
The search function of PHPBB forums is very powerful. It doesn't matter if a forum has some slightly less - functional features. The key is to have a good search function. A forum is not a running diary but a repository, and a repository really needs full - text search!!!!!
The fact that this forum is slow is a well - recognized fact, and it can't be explained by a slow network speed.
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Re All: 速度似乎与操作系统、上网环境以及在线时间都有很大关系,不可一概而论。不过,原来用dvbbs5.0的时候,速度确实比现在稳定得多,11月份我曾经有十数次无法登陆论坛,过一段时间又可以了。而且,我基本上已经无法使用win98来上论坛了,速度异乎寻常的慢,似乎与脚本解释有关。 关于全文检索,我曾经也呼吁过,论坛版主也开放过,但是后来升级后就再也不能用了,估计速度还是关键问题。 作为技术性很强的dos论坛,其实“动网”的很多功能都是过于奢侈了些,而有些与用户有关的功能设置也不太符合dos论坛用户的习惯。ubb代码似乎不宜支持。 不过,我使用中最大的问题,还是在于脚本。我经常会保存一些论坛主题网页,作为资料参考,但是由于我经常在dos下浏览这些资料,充斥在页面文件中的脚本造成浏览极大的不便,即使我采用论坛提供的“显示为可打印的版本”功能,仍然有文本段未自动换行等问题。如果使用ie提供的保存为文本文件功能,又十分浪费时间。 我不太了解论坛系统,不过如果版主考虑更换系统,稳定性是第一考量,在所有系统下都尽量能有一个表现相对良好的性能是最重要的,毕竟dos论坛的用户很多都是使用win98甚至dos来上网的。其次,应该考虑到系统的资源消耗,版面的简洁和功能的简化也是一个比较重要的权衡。另外,可以考虑一些功能设置偏重技术论坛而非通用论坛的系统。
Re All: The speed seems to be greatly related to the operating system, internet access environment, and online time, and cannot be generalized. However, when using dvbbs5.0 originally, the speed was indeed much more stable. In November, I had more than a dozen times when I couldn't log in to the forum, and after a while, I could log in again. Moreover, I have basically been unable to use win98 to access the forum, and the speed is unusually slow, which seems to be related to script interpretation. Regarding the full-text search, I once also appealed, and the forum moderator also opened it, but after the upgrade, it can no longer be used. It is estimated that the speed is still the key issue. As a highly technical DOS forum, in fact, many functions of "Discuz!" are somewhat excessive, and some function settings related to users are not very in line with the habits of DOS forum users. Ubb code should not be supported. However, the biggest problem in my use is still the script. I often save some forum topic web pages as reference materials, but since I often browse these materials under DOS, the scripts filling in the page files cause great inconvenience for browsing. Even if I use the "display as printable version" function provided by the forum, there are still problems such as text segments not automatically wrapping. If I use the save as text file function provided by IE, it is very time-consuming. I don't know much about the forum system, but if the moderator considers changing the system, stability is the first consideration. It is most important to have a relatively good performance in all systems. After all, many users of the DOS forum use win98 or even DOS to access the internet. Secondly, the resource consumption of the system should be considered, and the simplicity of the layout and the simplification of functions are also a relatively important balance. In addition, a system with function settings偏重 technical forums rather than general forums can be considered.
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慚愧!我只用過兩三個月的win98,然後一直在用win xp。
Ashamed! I only used Windows 98 for two or three months, and then I've been using Windows XP all the time.
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论坛的速度确实是比较慢的,所以正如willsort所指出的,如果开放全文搜索的话,会更加严重地降低论坛运作的整体性能和访问速度。当时之所以将论坛从DV5换成DV7,是有一些原因的(比如说当时到升级前的最后几天不知为何有些论坛版块甚至都无法正常访问了,升级后才解决),虽然其实不管是DV5还是DV7我本人都不是很满意(比如说现在的DV7论坛连纯DOS下都无法正常访问,而以前的DV5就可以;而DV5也有种种问题),但由于论坛和数据库的转换问题(比如说转换为PHP的话相比升级论坛本身要复杂很多),以及时间等原因,才一直没有作新的更换。如果autoit等管理员看到的话,不妨也说一下对这些问题的看法吧。
The speed of the forum is indeed relatively slow. So as pointed out by willsort, if full-text search is opened, it will more seriously reduce the overall performance and access speed of the forum operation. There were some reasons why the forum was changed from DV5 to DV7 at that time (for example, for some reason, some forum sections could not be accessed normally even in the last few days before the upgrade, and it was solved after the upgrade). Although in fact, I am not very satisfied with both DV5 and DV7 myself (for example, the current DV7 forum cannot be accessed normally even under pure DOS, while the previous DV5 could; and DV5 also has various problems), but due to the conversion problem of the forum and the database (for example, converting to PHP is much more complicated than upgrading the forum itself), and reasons such as time, it has not been replaced newly. If administrators like autoit see it, it is不妨 to also say something about their views on these problems.
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关键是论坛数据库Access的,以超过100M了....太大的原因吧.
The key is that the forum database is Access, and it has exceeded 100M.... It's because it's too large.
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回复:(areyong)新DOS时代的这个论坛为何选用DVBBS?...
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DVBBS的数据库有两种,ACCESS与MS SQL,看上面的回贴,本论坛是ACCESS数据库。我们只要把ACCESS数据库转换成MYSQL数据库就可以了。只要牟数据库略有了解即可以转换成功,何况我们还有可能找到现成的转换工具。
论坛速度之所以时快时慢,与论坛空间所在的服务器有关。ACCESS数据库的话,空间所在的服务器必然安装的是WINDOWS操作系统了,在服务器方面,WINDOWS不如LINUX是众所周知的。
而且,空间提供商的一个服务器上必然会分给多个(数十个或者数百个)不同的用户来使用。DOS论坛可以不开全文搜索,但是同一个服务器上的其它用户的论坛可能开放了全文搜索。基于ACCESS或者MS SQL的数据库,在搜索只会大量占用服务器的CPU资源,从而大大影响同一个服务器上其它用户的速度。
如果采用LINUX类的服务器做论坛空间的话,就只能采用MYSQL做数据库了。MYSQL数据库有搜索时也会占用一些CPU资源,但占用比微软的少。还有,LINUX类服务器可以很方便地限制一个域名的用户最大占用多少CPU资源,如DOSBBS最多占用5%的CPU资源,也就是说,同一服务器的其它用户是不是运行了大资源的程序与自已的论坛速度无关。
There are two types of databases for DVBBS, ACCESS and MS SQL. Looking at the above replies, this forum uses the ACCESS database. We just need to convert the ACCESS database to the MYSQL database. As long as one has a little understanding of databases, it can be successfully converted. Moreover, we may even find ready-made conversion tools. The reason why the forum speed is sometimes fast and sometimes slow is related to the server where the forum space is located. For the ACCESS database, the server where the space is located must be installed with the WINDOWS operating system. It is well-known that on the server side, WINDOWS is not as good as LINUX. Also, a server of a space provider must be allocated to multiple (dozens or hundreds) different users for use. The DOS forum can not turn on full-text search, but other users' forums on the same server may have turned on full-text search. Databases based on ACCESS or MS SQL will consume a large amount of server CPU resources during search, thus greatly affecting the speed of other users on the same server. If we use a LINUX-based server as the forum space, we can only use MYSQL as the database. The MYSQL database will also consume some CPU resources during search, but the consumption is less than that of Microsoft's. Also, a LINUX-based server can very conveniently limit the maximum CPU resources that a domain name user can occupy. For example, DOSBBS can occupy at most 5% of the CPU resources, that is, whether other users on the same server run programs that consume large resources has nothing to do with the speed of their own forum.
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以下是引用autoit在2004-12-23 16:55:09的发言:
关键是论坛数据库Access的,以超过100M了....太大的原因吧.
这个论坛的注册人数以及发布的文章并不算特别庞大,这不是速度慢的原因。
看看这个PHPBB论坛:http://www.netpcforum.org/pn/index.php
目前总共发表了 277396 篇文章
目前总共有 34244 位注册会员
而DOSBBS的总贴数只有:帖子總數:86757 篇
老大们可以对照一下速度就知道了。
Below is the statement made by autoit on December 23, 2004 at 16:55:09:
The key is that the forum database is Access, and it has exceeded 100M.... That's probably the reason for being too large.
The number of registered users and the number of posts published in this forum are not particularly large, and this is not the reason for the slow speed.
Take a look at this PHPBB forum: http://www.netpcforum.org/pn/index.php
Currently, a total of 277,396 posts have been published
Currently, there are a total of 34,244 registered members
And the total number of posts in DOSBBS is: Total number of posts: 86,757 posts
You can compare the speeds, guys.
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我还没有找到DVBBS直接转到PHPBB的工具,但可以先转成IPB,再由IPB转成PHPBB
我找到了DVBBS转换到PHPWIND的程序。(网上一搜就能找到)
PHPWIND是国人开发的一个比较好的PHPBB类论坛。
I haven't found a tool to directly transfer from DVBBS to PHPBB, but you can first transfer to IPB and then transfer from IPB to PHPBB.
I found a program to transfer from DVBBS to PHPWIND. (You can find it by searching online.)
PHPWIND is a relatively good PHPBB - like forum developed by Chinese people.
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还是换一个论坛程序吧,现在的速度慢的让人难受!
Still change a forum program, the current speed is so slow that it's uncomfortable!
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哈哈,终于改成PHP论坛了!!!!太高兴了!
再也不用苦苦等待了。
扔了DVBBS,转成了PHP的论坛,这比什么都强!!!!这是我一年前的建议。现在终于实现也,数据转换也没有什么大问题,已经非常不错了!
管理员也接受了我的另一个建议:把题头上的广告的高度减少了,这也非常不错。
版主们为什么不早听俺的建议呢?你们看现在的速度与以前的速度真是天上地下之分。可惜以前的DOS论坛(的速度)浪费了我多少时间???
动网BBS太烂太烂太烂~!!!!!!!
做大一点的论坛绝对不能用DVBBS!那些花哨的功能到底有什么作用?有几个人用??????
恨不得哪天收购了这个DVBBS公司然后立即公开宣布它破产关闭。
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Haha, finally changed to a PHP forum!!! So happy!!!
No longer have to wait苦苦.
Threw away DVBBS and switched to a PHP forum, this is better than anything!!! This was my suggestion a year ago. Now it's finally realized, and there are no major problems with data conversion, which is already very good!
The administrator also accepted my other suggestion: reduced the height of the advertisement at the top, which is also very good.
Why didn't the moderators listen to my suggestions earlier? You see, the current speed is really worlds apart from the previous speed. It's a pity how much time the previous DOS forum's speed wasted me???
Discuz! BBS is too bad too bad too bad~!!!!!
Definitely don't use DVBBS for making a larger forum! What's the use of those fancy functions? How many people use them???????
I can't wait to acquire this Discuz! BBS company one day and then immediately publicly announce that it goes bankrupt and closes.
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呵呵,areyong說得好!
不過論壇現在的速度比以前快多了除了論壇轉成PHP外還有另一個重要原因,那就是換了服務器。現在的服務器是新買的,带寬也大了不少。
Hehe, areyong said it well!
But the forum is much faster than before. Besides the forum being converted to PHP, there is another important reason, which is changing the server. The current server is a new one, and the bandwidth is also much larger.
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