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如果这样,FREEDOS肯定会红火的
If so, FREEDOS is sure to be popular.
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我虽然是新来的,但我要说两句。不是我泼你们的冷水,楼上的一位哥哥说的没错,想法好但没意义。dos的内核再稳定,就真能与linux谁与争锋吗?任务调度,进程kill,……就真的能很好的发挥作用吗?m$的系统烂这是真的吗?我公司的2003基本没有关机的时候(因业务需要),xp早就挂掉了。我打一个不恰当的比喻按你们整完的dos与linux比就像xp和2003比哪个性能强呢(linux和2003比当然是linux强出很多了)。真想整我建议把winme和dos整一块试试或许能得到好的效果,有些游戏xp/2003都运行不了,虚拟机也不行。又很好玩,我现在有很多这样的游戏,我只能搁置。dos就应用而言就只能作为一个强大的辅助系统,我不是说它过时(别误会)。以上仅代表我个人的意见。
Although I'm new here, I want to say a few words. It's not that I'm pouring cold water on you, but the elder brother above is right. The idea is good but meaningless. No matter how stable the DOS kernel is, can it really compete with Linux? Will task scheduling, process killing, etc. really play a good role? Is it true that Microsoft's systems are bad? The 2003 in my company is hardly ever shut down (due to business needs), and XP has long crashed. I make an inappropriate analogy: comparing the DOS you finished with Linux is like comparing XP and 2003 in terms of which has better performance (of course, Linux is much stronger than 2003). If you really want to do it, I suggest trying to integrate WinME and DOS together, maybe it can get a good effect. Some games can't run on XP/2003, and virtual machines can't either. It's also very fun. I have many such games now, and I can only put them aside. In terms of application, DOS can only be used as a powerful auxiliary system. I'm not saying it's outdated (don't get me wrong). The above only represents my personal opinion.
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『第 78 楼』:
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我虽然不支持,如果你们真想这么做,我的建议是先重写内核的任务管理和内存管理模块。
Although I don't support it, if you really want to do this, my suggestion is to first rewrite the task management and memory management modules of the kernel.
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『第 79 楼』:
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同意LS的意见,好多东西都要重写,维护也是个问题。
其实个人认为,将DOS发展成WIN的强大的辅助工具到不错,比如将一些常用的第三方工具做成可以配置的安装包发布,既方便了写批处理的,也方便了使用者。
定期维护这个工具包,同时将一些好的,新的工具或批处理添加进工具包中,先普及应用才行啊。
Agree with LS's opinion. Many things need to be rewritten, and maintenance is also a problem.
In fact, personally, it's not bad to develop DOS into a powerful auxiliary tool like WIN. For example, making some commonly used third-party tools into configurable installation packages for release, which is convenient for both batch file writers and users.
Maintain this tool package regularly, and at the same time add some good and new tools or batch files into the tool package. First, popularize the application.
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71楼的可见是世外高人!
DOS非常辉煌的时候我只是听说过,我接触的时候已经9.X了。
流行过几年,容易死机。后来2000了,后来XP了,MS的系统确实性能提高了不少。
因为是D版的,无所谓源码开放不开放,也无所谓强大不强大,只是别人都在用,从进电脑城第一天就跟别人学做系统,就是MS的系统。
后来试用linux后发现确实不错,但是好多地方略显别扭,原因是什么呢?
是因为linux不好吗?是因为linux不人性化吗?不是,是因为我们习惯了MS的系统
DOS是个历史的产物,它辉煌过,它也将会没落……而且它肯定会没落。所以我们没有必要对DOS武装上什么来让它变的强大,我们喜欢的不是DOS的如何强大如何易用,我们喜欢的是DOS短小精干操作性强。
如果操作系统也是战争的产物或者是为战争服务的话,那么它早更新换代好多次了。
所以讨论这些我认为是没有意义的。第一:没有经济价值。第二:实用价值不高。第三:太过于牵强。
计算机是超着多元化和开放化发展的,ms总会变化,linux或许是未来的发展主流,linxu的某的应用和性能确实非常棒,我们既不能把dos做成linux也不能把linux做成dos,有句话是存在的就是合理的,那么请让记住,不合理的我们也将会抛弃。
DOS的维护系统的功能都已经别WINPE取代了。那么DOS的实用价值还能体现在哪些更能让其发展的领域内?
The one at floor 71 is really an expert!
When DOS was very glorious, I just heard about it. When I got in touch with it, it was already 9.X.
It was popular for a few years and was prone to crashing. Then came 2000, then XP. MS's systems did improve a lot in performance.
Because it was a pirated version, it didn't matter whether the source code was open or not, and it didn't matter whether it was powerful or not. It was just that everyone else was using it. From the first day I entered the computer city, I learned to install systems from others, and it was MS's systems.
Later, after trying out Linux, I found it really good, but there were still some awkward places in many aspects. What was the reason?
Was it because Linux was not good? Was it because Linux was not user-friendly? No. It was because we were used to MS's systems.
DOS is a historical product. It was glorious, and it will decline... and it will definitely decline. So there is no need for us to arm DOS with anything to make it powerful. What we like is not how powerful or easy-to-use DOS is. What we like is that DOS is compact and has strong operability.
If operating systems were also products of war or were for war service, then they would have been updated many times.
So I think discussing these is meaningless. First, there is no economic value. Second, the practical value is not high. Third, it is too far-fetched.
Computers are developing towards diversification and openness. MS will always change. Linux may be the mainstream of future development. Some applications and performances of Linux are really excellent. We can neither make DOS into Linux nor make Linux into DOS. There is a saying that what exists is reasonable. Then please remember that what is unreasonable we will also discard.
The function of DOS as a maintenance system has been replaced by WINPE. Then in which fields that can make its development better can the practical value of DOS still be reflected?
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现在我已占据81楼的位置了
从1楼开始细细看下来,如果把各位的意见全部加上
那么DOS需要更新换代很多次才行
也许DOS只是一群独特的人用独特的爱还在坚持。
Now I have occupied the position of floor 81.
Looking down carefully from floor 1, if I add up all the opinions of you all, then DOS needs to be updated and replaced many times.
Maybe DOS is just a group of unique people still persevering with unique love.
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71楼,不是我骂你。你就是m$的狗。
你知道linux在服务器上的应用吗?
你了解linux的强大吗?
你以为你懂dx,usb是吗?你以为就你懂保护模式是吗?
dos确实是历史上的产物?但没人说他过时。
你用过非m$的操作系统吗?
你就是奴隶,永远生活在m$蒙蔽下的奴隶。
Post 71, I'm not cursing you. You're just a dog of M$.
Do you know the application of Linux in servers?
Do you understand the power of Linux?
Do you think you know DX, USB, etc.? Do you think only you understand protected mode?
DOS is indeed a product of history? But no one says it's outdated.
Have you used an operating system other than M$?
You're just a slave, a slave always living under the deception of M$.
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m$的黑屏,让我重新审视这个主题,我们都被m$给害了,我发现缺了pe格式的可执行文件,生活起来确实非常困难,我一直在想着这个主题,只要有人能做,发展起来应该不成问题。freedos32可以对它修改一下试试,据说是运行在保护模式下的32位的多任务的dos。我现在正在收拾硬盘,工作上也有些忙所以没时间。过些时候,我们可以一起来研究一下。
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The black screen of m$ makes me re-examine this topic. We've all been harmed by m$. I find that it's really difficult to live without PE format executable files. I've been thinking about this topic all the time. As long as someone can do it, it should be no problem to develop. Freedos32 can be modified and tried. It's said to be a 32-bit multitasking DOS running in protected mode. I'm sorting out the hard drive now, and I'm also busy with work, so I don't have time. We can study it together later.
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楼主的想法很有独到之处,但是可以看出楼主对操作系统以及x-window本身的一些基础知识还欠缺太多。
在x-window从根本上是依赖unix,dos与Unix完全是两个体系,dos体系比unix在操作系统一级上的可扩展性要差得多,不用指望把x-window移植到Freedos上,从理论上看,把x-window移植到dos上就像是要在沙漠中养鱼一样的想法。
不过在unix 中倒是可以仿照FreeDos的操作作一个FreeDos的shell,这个完全是可行的,而且也许会给为转向unix某些老Dos用户带来方便。
The LZ's idea is quite original, but it can be seen that the LZ still lacks a lot of basic knowledge about the operating system and the x-window itself.
The x-window fundamentally depends on Unix. DOS and Unix are completely two systems. The DOS system is much worse than Unix in terms of expandability at the operating system level. Don't expect to port the x-window to FreeDOS. From a theoretical point of view, porting the x-window to DOS is like the idea of raising fish in the desert.
However, in Unix, one can imitate FreeDos to make a FreeDos shell. This is completely feasible, and perhaps it will bring convenience to some old DOS users who are turning to Unix.
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『第 85 楼』:
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这个观点不错,dos应该吸收别家所长补己所短。但是不要做成一个大杂烩的系统,应该在某一领域深入发展。就像11楼所言。或者开发出适应不同工作环境的版本。
This view is good. DOS should absorb the strengths of others and make up for its own weaknesses. But don't make it a hodgepodge system. It should develop deeply in a certain field. Just as the 11th floor said. Or develop versions suitable for different working environments.
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我觉得dos就像c一样。是基础。学好它,其它的易上手。
I think DOS is like C. It's the foundation. If you learn it well, others are easy to get started with.
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开源+集体互动进化+尊重个人贡献(源码中注明:修正、改进、另途、……),
这是我的三个建议,基于对东西文化差异多年经历的反思。
开源才能有继承性,不需要人人都(从0开始——东方文化的“特长”)。
集体互动才能真正交流、互补、长期发展。
尊重个人贡献(源码中注明差异)才是真正的开源、互动、学习、发展。
这些都是性质的话,没有此前提,后面的东西最多就是只能是昙花一现或一支独秀。这是东方文化输于西方文化的重要原因,决不在于具体的哪家的什么宝贝理论或产品。
Open source + collective interactive evolution + respect for individual contributions (noted in the source code: corrections, improvements, alternative uses,......)
These are my three suggestions, based on reflections on the differences between Eastern and Western cultures over the years.
Only through open source can there be inheritability, and it doesn't require everyone to start from scratch - which is the "specialty" of Eastern culture.
Only through collective interaction can there be real communication, complementarity, and long-term development.
Respecting individual contributions (noting differences in the source code) is the real open source, interaction, learning, and development.
These are all matters of nature. Without these prerequisites, the things that follow can at most be just flash in the pan or a solitary success. This is an important reason why Eastern culture lags behind Western culture, and it has nothing to do with the specific theoretical or product treasures of any particular family.
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传说DOS于今最大的噱头是接地气。
中国股市还用DOS作终端,而美国证交所在许多中国人已用上了液晶显示后还未改那些“有升降格”的荧光屏。
而现在,许多证券营业厅换了新机,2G以上的,用旧的DOS,那不是在烧机吗!
愚见,当务应该开发的是DOS电源管理,既接地气又经济环保。某些也按西方民主制度该御任,亦以此由之。
It is said that the biggest gimmick of DOS nowadays is being down-to-earth.
The Chinese stock market still uses DOS as a terminal, while the US Securities and Exchange Commission has not changed those "screens with up and down grids" after many Chinese people have already used liquid crystal displays.
And now, many securities business halls have replaced with new machines, those above 2G, using the old DOS, isn't that burning the machine!
In my humble opinion, what should be developed urgently is DOS power management, which is not only down-to-earth but also economically and environmentally friendly. Some should also retire according to the Western democratic system, and this is also the reason.
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