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VPC5.2什么时候出来的,我现在用是5.1。
我的启动盘在VPC5。1里也都没问题,只是EMM386的那几项没有UMBPCI的效果好。
关于虚拟机我也说几句,不要太相信它,因为它毕竟不是真实的环境,本身又都有BUG,经常误报,所谓的兼容不是要兼容虚拟机。而是要兼容真实系统。因为虚拟机本身就存在着兼容问题,因为它的硬件设备是虚拟的(所以有很多错误)。如果你以它们为准的话。那么很多好的软件就不能用了。比如HWINFO就不能在VPC下运行。但它能在VMWARE中运行。而HD-COPY不能在VMWARE运行却可在VPC运行。但在真实的环境这些都可以运行。另外WENGIER盘子中CLOAKIN+MSCDEX要比微软的MSCDEX好的多,但是CLOAKING却不能在VPC中运行。如果你要全部都兼容虚拟机的话,那只能用微软那些又老又耗内存的工具了。
正是因为VPC经常有问题,浪费了我好多时间,老让我误以为是启动盘的问题。
When was VPC 5.2 released? I'm currently using version 5.1.
My boot disk works fine in VPC 5.1, but the EMM386 settings don't have as good an effect as UMBPCI.
I'll also say a few words about virtual machines. Don't trust them too much because after all, it's not a real environment, and there are bugs in itself, often giving false positives. The so-called compatibility is not to be compatible with the virtual machine. Instead, it's to be compatible with the real system. Because the virtual machine itself has compatibility issues, because its hardware devices are virtual (so there are many errors). If you rely on them, then many good software won't work. For example, HWINFO can't run under VPC, but it can run in VMware. And HD-COPY can't run in VMware but can run in VPC. But in the real environment, these can all run. Also, in the WENGIER disk, CLOAKIN + MSCDEX is much better than Microsoft's MSCDEX, but CLOAKING can't run in VPC. If you want full compatibility with the virtual machine, then you can only use those old and memory-consuming tools from Microsoft.
It's precisely because VPC often has problems that it has wasted me a lot of time, often making me mistakenly think it's the problem with the boot disk.
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VPC5.2出来有三个多月了吧,汉化版也出来很久了
MVW现在最新是4.0中文版
兄说的有一定道理,虚拟机的确有一定弊端~~~
但是不知兄是否认为虚拟机的测试环境更加中性化呢?它没有限定在一定类型的机器上,而是采用通用型的设计,也就是说它的兼容性在某些程度上更优于真实机器,否则它也就失去了虚拟的意义~~~比如某些LINUX系统在一些机器上出现不兼容现象,而在虚拟机中却可以顺利安装,这恰恰说明了它的兼容性方面要强一些~~~
兄所说的HWINFO的确是不能在虚拟机下使用,实际上不仅仅是它一个,大多数系统测试软件都不能在虚拟机中运行,因为他们要求有一个固定的测试类型,所有的测试都是基于软件所带的数据库,而虚拟机无法让他们定位到一个具体的硬件的数据,因此会产生死循环或者溢出等故障,这是不可避免的~~~
另外兄所说的“CLOAKIN+MSCDEX”问题,我想这个完全是可以理解的。程序员眼里软件的好坏是它的算法的精简和代码的优化,我们眼里软件的好坏是它对系统资源的占用以及功能,而到了用户那里的时候,软件的好坏就变成了稳定性和兼容性的问题,他们才不管你这是怎么做出来的,功能有多强大~~~所以“CLOAKIN+MSCDEX”的优点是我们大家公认的,但是从那么多人的反馈来看,它对某些机器的兼容性的确存在问题!
在这里我想对WENGIER的一句话提点意见,希望WENGIER不要介意~~~WENGIER在一贴的恢复中说“你们可以打电话让主板厂商修改他们的BUG”(大意如此),我个人认为这样的话是不应该说出来的。硬件的生产不可能因为我们的意愿而产生变化(除非是市场需要),以我们的能力,只能想办法去兼容硬件,而不是让硬件去兼容我们的软件,而且从实现的角度来说,软件的变动比硬件来得简单快捷,所以如果我们解决不了问题,就应该承认它,面对它,而不是去逃避它~~~
这只是我的个人一点观点,只希望和大家一起学习技术,没有其他的意思,如果有不对的地方,还请指正,谢谢~~~
VPC5.2 has been out for more than three months, and the Chinese version has been out for a long time.
The latest version of MVW is the 4.0 Chinese version.
What the brother said makes some sense. Virtual machines do have certain drawbacks~~~
But I wonder if the brother thinks that the test environment of virtual machines is more neutral? It is not limited to a certain type of machine, but adopts a general-purpose design, that is to say, its compatibility is better than that of real machines to some extent, otherwise it would lose the meaning of virtualization~~~ For example, some Linux systems have compatibility problems on some machines, but can be installed smoothly in virtual machines, which just shows that its compatibility is stronger~~~
What the brother said about HWINFO indeed cannot be used in virtual machines. In fact, it's not just it. Most system testing software cannot run in virtual machines because they require a fixed test type. All tests are based on the database carried by the software, and virtual machines cannot make them locate specific hardware data, so deadlocks or overflows and other failures will occur, which is inevitable~~~
In addition, the "CLOAKIN + MSCDEX" problem mentioned by the brother, I think this is completely understandable. In the eyes of programmers, the quality of software is the simplicity of its algorithm and the optimization of code. In our eyes, the quality of software is its occupation of system resources and functions. When it comes to users, the quality of software becomes the problem of stability and compatibility. They don't care how it is made or how powerful the function is~~~ So the advantages of "CLOAKIN + MSCDEX" are recognized by us all, but from the feedback of so many people, it does have compatibility problems with some machines!
Here I want to give an opinion on a sentence by WENGIER, and I hope WENGIER doesn't mind~~~ WENGIER said in a reply that "you can call the motherboard manufacturer to modify their bugs" (something like that). I personally think such words should not be said. The production of hardware cannot change because of our wishes (unless market demand). With our ability, we can only try to be compatible with hardware, not let hardware be compatible with our software. Moreover, from the perspective of implementation, software changes are simpler and faster than hardware. So if we can't solve the problem, we should admit it and face it, not escape it~~~
This is just my personal view. I just hope to learn technology with everyone, and there is no other meaning. If there is anything wrong, please correct me. Thank you~~~
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我做成光盘后,总体感觉很好,只是好象諾頓的硬盘扫描不好用;选界面第四项usp好象也不能驱动,也许是我还没掌握吧?
After I made it into a CD, the overall feeling is very good, but it seems that Norton's hard disk scan is not easy to use; selecting the fourth item usp in the interface also seems unable to drive, maybe I haven't mastered it yet?
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呵呵~~我一直就是用的vpc52呀。。其实也有问题的。。只是相对少点。。
Hehe~ I've always been using vpc52. Actually, there are also problems, just relatively fewer.
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以下是引用qian_012在2003-6-28 14:26:52的发言:
我做成光盘后,总体感觉很好,只是好象諾頓的硬盘扫描不好用;选界面第四项usp好象也不能驱动,也许是我还没掌握吧?
NOTON的扫描应该可以用呀,具体说说哪里不好用,“界面第四项usp”是不是说UNDO呀?
The following is the speech of qian_012 on 2003-6-28 14:26:52:
After I made it into a CD, I generally felt very good, but it seems that the Norton hard disk scan is not easy to use; selecting the fourth item usp in the interface also seems unable to drive, maybe I haven't mastered it yet?
NOTON's scan should be usable. Specifically, tell me where it's not easy to use. Is "the fourth item usp in the interface" referring to UNDO?
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进入界面后,按空格鍵选择盘符后,键入回车后不能很好执行(有时可以}。第二个问是我弄错了,我以为选第四项是指从闪存启动或能在dos调用闪存的文件,而你是指外置usb光驱驱动,对吗?
After entering the interface, press the space key to select the drive letter, and then pressing Enter does not execute well (sometimes it works). The second question is that I made a mistake. I thought that selecting the fourth item meant booting from the flash drive or being able to call files from the flash drive in DOS, but you mean an external USB optical drive driver, right?
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我以为你是说诺顿的第四项呢,原来你说的是启动主菜单的第四项,这个READMEk中有说明,不过由于我没有USB设备,没法保证一定能驱动USB。
闪存,呵呵,目前还不可能.
I thought you were talking about the fourth item of Norton, but it turns out you were talking about the fourth item of the boot main menu. There is an explanation in this README, but since I don't have a USB device, I can't guarantee that the USB will be driven. Flash memory, heh, it's not possible at present.
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我的电脑在DOS下,解CAB1时长时间停顿,死机.我想作光盘版最好把CAB1.CAB2.zipdata.cab3解开放在光盘文件夹里,请问斑竹该如何修改?
My computer is under DOS, and it stops for a long time and freezes when extracting CAB1. I want to make a CD version. It's best to extract CAB1, CAB2, zipdata, and CAB3 and put them in the CD folder. May I ask the moderator how to modify it?
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你是做成什么启动的,软盘,光盘,还是虚拟机?具体说说。
What kind of startup did you use, floppy disk, CD - ROM, or virtual machine? Specifically, tell us about it.
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yiyesong斑竹,我是做成软盘启动,选第1项.第2项时,解压CAB1死机. 第3项可以,就是太慢.
我想作光盘版,把需要解压CAB1.CAB2.CAB3和ZIPDATA解开放在光盘的一个目录里,这样启动速度快很多,只是不知道怎样修改AUTOEXECbat和CAB0里的文件? 另.CAB用什么压缩软件制作?请斑竹解答.....
Bamboo yiyesong, I made it to boot from a floppy disk, selected the first item. When I selected the second item, it froze when extracting CAB1. The third item works, but it's too slow.
I want to make a CD version, put the files that need to be extracted from CAB1.CAB2.CAB3 and ZIPDATA in a directory on the CD, so that the boot speed is much faster. Just don't know how to modify the AUTOEXEC.bat and files in CAB0? Also, what compression software is used for.CAB? Please, bamboo, give an explanation.....
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如果你是做成软盘启动死机,那是你的软盘质量问题。
如果作成光盘,不需要解压CAB1、CAB2等等压缩包速度也会很快。光盘的速度不知要比软盘快多少。qian_012已经做了,据他反应还可以。
如果要是解压CAB1.CAB2.CAB3等文件的话,不光要修改AUTOEXEC.bat,还有修改好多批处理文件。所以做起来很麻烦。几句话是讲不清的。
做CAB的软件DOS下有很多,你搜索一下就知道了。我在这里推荐一个WIN下制做CAB包的工具:cab manager。其操作简单方便,可以选择压缩程度。
如果你需要我可以上传上来。
If you make it boot from a floppy disk and it crashes, it's a problem with the quality of your floppy disk.
If you make it from a CD, it will be very fast without decompressing the CAB1, CAB2 and other compressed packages. The speed of the CD is much faster than that of the floppy disk. qian_012 has already done it, and according to his feedback, it's okay.
If you want to decompress the files like CAB1.CAB2.CAB3, you not only need to modify AUTOEXEC.bat, but also modify many batch files. So it's very troublesome to make. A few words can't make it clear.
There are many software for making CAB under DOS. You can search and you will know. I recommend a tool for making CAB packages under WIN here: cab manager. It's simple and convenient to operate, and you can choose the compression level.
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如何修改、添加一些菜单?
How to modify and add some menus?
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经反复测试:諾頓磁盘医生2002只能对软驱动器扫描,不能对硬盘上的各盘符的驱动器扫描,并提示:“无法从驱动器 c:读 确定一个磁盘在驱动器中并且配置驱动程序被安置 并可用”不知是何故。请帮助。
After repeated tests: Norton Disk Doctor 2002 can only scan the floppy drive, and cannot scan the drives of each drive letter on the hard disk, and prompts: "Cannot read from drive C: Determine that a disk is in the drive and the configuration driver is installed and available." I don't know why. Please help.
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“雨浪飘零”确实说的很好,谢谢!
而关于这个启动盘(尤其是软盘版),我强烈建议启动时增加一些提示信息,以免让用户在长时间等待中且没有任何提示的情况下误以为系统已死机。像我在第一次测试时,居然等了10分钟都没有任何反应,才知道已真的死机了。虽然后来经检查是软盘本身的问题,但此启动盘启动中最好应有足够的提示,以让用户判断系统是否仍在启动中,免得造成不必要的损失。
"Rain waves drifting" is indeed very good, thank you!
And regarding this boot disk (especially the floppy disk version), I strongly suggest adding some prompt information when booting, so as to avoid making users mistakenly think the system has crashed when waiting for a long time without any prompts. Like when I tested it for the first time, I actually waited for 10 minutes with no response at all, and then I realized it had really crashed. Although later it was found that it was the problem of the floppy disk itself, the boot process of this boot disk should preferably have enough prompts to let users judge whether the system is still booting, so as to avoid unnecessary losses.
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