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DOS教学应跟上时代的发展才行
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现在许多人对DOS不感兴趣,一个重要的原因是现在的DOS教学与宣传的内容
过于底层化和原理化,且教学和宣传时所用的软件过于陈旧过时,根本跟不上
时代的发展。例如一教DOS就教如何维护和修复磁盘,这样大多数人都不会感
兴趣的,包括我自己都不会感兴趣。因此,DOS教学和宣传应跟上时代的发展
才是,比如DOS的最新技术和最新软件,如媒体软件、系统增强软件、网络工
具、长文件名工具等等,以及DOS的发展前景等。
Now many people are not interested in DOS. An important reason is that the content of current DOS teaching and promotion is too basic and theoretical, and the software used in teaching and promotion is too old and outdated, which cannot keep up with the development of the times. For example, when teaching DOS, it is about how to maintain and repair disks, so most people, including myself, are not interested. Therefore, DOS teaching and promotion should keep up with the development of the times, such as the latest technologies and software of DOS, like media software, system enhancement software, network tools, long filename tools, etc., as well as the development prospects of DOS.
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yiyesong
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其实现在DOS在我们国内就是扮演了这种角色,它并不是作为一种专用的平台在使用,而是更多的作为WINDOWS操作系统的一种辅助工具,让人哭笑不得的是在许多人的眼里,只要会几个DOS命令就是电脑高手了,还有很多视窗高手,甚至一些WINDOWS程序员对DOS本身也是一窍不通。这是我们国家的悲哀。我觉得要真正要用好学好DOS,还是了解一些底层和原理的东西,除此之外,DOS最大的优点就是其灵活,小巧,不象WINDOWS体态臃肿,在添加一些新的DOS增强软件后,其部分功能可以和WINDOWS媲美,然而其操作却要较WIN灵活得多,没有那么多限制。所以我建议DOS应该朝着这两个方向发展:
1、更好的发挥其在系统维护方面的辅助功能。
2、在其灵活精巧多变的基础上,更多的朝着多媒体、图形界面、增强网络工能等方向发展。(这里可以借鉴LINUX的发展)
也许有朝一日会出现一种新的以DOS为基础的能够和WINDOWS相抗衡的图形界面操作系统。
In fact, now DOS in our country just plays such a role. It is not used as a dedicated platform, but more as an auxiliary tool of the WINDOWS operating system. It is funny that in many people's eyes, as long as you know a few DOS commands, you are a computer expert. There are also many Windows experts, and even some Windows programmers are completely ignorant of DOS itself. This is the sorrow of our country. I think to really use and learn DOS well, we still need to understand some underlying and principle things. In addition, the biggest advantage of DOS is its flexibility and small size. Unlike WINDOWS which is bloated, after adding some new DOS enhancement software, some of its functions can be comparable to WINDOWS, however, its operation is much more flexible than WIN and there are not so many restrictions. So I suggest that DOS should develop in these two directions:
1. Better play its auxiliary function in system maintenance.
2. On the basis of its flexibility, delicacy and variety, develop more in the directions of multimedia, graphical interface, enhanced network functions, etc. (Here, we can learn from the development of LINUX)
Maybe one day, a new graphical interface operating system based on DOS that can compete with WINDOWS will appear.
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Wengier
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但我觉得,这要靠各人的爱好,许多人喜欢DOS,但非喜欢底层和原理东东,毕竟这些很不大众化,硬灌的话会使很多人完全丧失对DOS的兴趣。因此,分工才是最好的,有一些人去做底层、原理东东,其它人则去在DOS下做其它各种实用的操作,毕竟后者才是面向大众的。
But I think this depends on everyone's hobbies. Many people like DOS, but not necessarily like the underlying and principle stuff. After all, these are not very popular. Forcing them would make many people completely lose interest in DOS. Therefore, division of labor is the best. Some people do the underlying and principle stuff, and others do various other practical operations under DOS. After all, the latter is for the general public.
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yiyesong
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支持版主的看法,中国人就是缺乏分工合作精神,喜欢各自为营。如果能在统一的项目工程下,每个人充分发挥其专行才能,这才是DOS发展的硬道理。
I support the moderator's view. Chinese people lack the spirit of division of labor and cooperation and like to act independently. If everyone can give full play to their professional talents under a unified project, that is the real truth for the development of DOS.
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禅宗
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我是电脑老师,我对这个问题很有些看法,说实在话DOS最好是作为Windows的补充,这是很现实也是很实在的问题,因为我们的信息技术课已完全排队了DOS的存在,我在上课时加上了一、两节课给高中的学生,但也只能讲一些基础的分区、格式化等。只能说现在DOS在我国已真的是。。。不过也没什么,我觉得真正的信息技术课无非是让学生掌握信息的处理能力嘛,不必拘泥于一种系统,我喜欢DOS并不排斥其它OS,所以,推广DOS的任务是要认真地思考国情,DOS的任务等等,不是一个联合,一个论坛就可以改变得了的,我觉得我们应该联合的是推广啊!!!
大家有没有意思一齐写一些稿子投给大的媒体?
I am a computer teacher, and I have some views on this issue. To be honest, DOS is best regarded as a supplement to Windows, which is a very practical and realistic problem because our information technology courses have completely excluded the existence of DOS. When I teach, I add one or two classes for high school students, but I can only talk about some basic partition, formatting, etc. It can only be said that DOS in our country is really... But it's okay. I think the real information technology course is nothing more than letting students master the ability to process information. There's no need to be restricted to one system. I like DOS and don't exclude other OS. So, the task of promoting DOS is to seriously consider the national conditions, the tasks of DOS, etc. It's not something that a union or a forum can change. I think what we should unite is for promotion!!! Do everyone have the intention to write some manuscripts together and submit them to major media?
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Wengier
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『第 6 楼』:
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请看我在“站务讨论”中的回复。
Please see my reply in the "Site Matters Discussion" section.
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『第 7 楼』:
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现在的问题是由于在国内DOS已经丧失了商业价值,也不引起多数人的注意,许多主流媒体已经基本上停止了对DOS的宣传,写稿也没有用。
我自己觉得不能期望目前的媒体,它们大部分的目的过于追求功利。你可以看看巴厘岛大爆炸死那么多人,在许多刊上不过发几篇稿了事。而伏明霞与梁锦松两人的恋爱结婚、谢庭锋的小小车祸却都被他们炒个天翻地复。
Now the problem is that in China, DOS has lost its commercial value and doesn't attract much attention from most people. Many mainstream media have basically stopped promoting DOS, and it's useless to write articles.
I myself think we can't expect the current media, most of which have too功利a purpose. You can see that so many people died in the Bali bombings, but only a few articles were published in many publications. However, the love marriage between Fu Mingxia and Leung Chun-ying, and the small car accident of Nicholas Tse were all hyped up by them.
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Wengier
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是啊,比如南京不久前毒死了200多人,结果基本上也是草草了结。
Yes, for example, Nanjing poisoned more than 200 people not long ago, and the result was basically perfunctorily concluded.
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我今晚将《终极DOS任务》投到《计算机应用文摘》杂志了,至少要试试吧,对吗?而我觉得这份杂志的触角还是不错的:)
I will submit "Ultimate DOS Mission" to "Computer Application Digest" magazine tonight. At least I should give it a try, right? And I think the reach of this magazine is quite good : )
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『第 10 楼』:
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tasm 如何使用?
如何在DEBUG中显示中文?
How to use TASM? How to display Chinese characters in DEBUG?
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qzxcl
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以下是引用qzxcl在2002-11-4 16:09:24的发言:
tasm 如何使用?
如何在DEBUG中显示中文?
The following is a quote from qzxcl on 2002-11-4 16:09:24:
How to use tasm?
How to display Chinese characters in DEBUG?
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http://freehost27.websamba.com/2280062/
上有个教育软件
要注册的
不知好不好用
There is an educational software on http://freehost27.websamba.com/2280062/ that requires registration. I don't know if it works well.
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『第 13 楼』:
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以下是引用qzxcl在2002-11-4 16:09:24的发言:
tasm 如何使用?
如何在DEBUG中显示中文?
第二个问题在联合DOS论坛里有解答,仔细找找吧。
第一个嘛,太大了?不知道一下子怎么讲。基本上,和masm是一个用法。只不过它比masm支持的指令有点不同(更多?)
随便哪本汇编教材里都有讲吧。(指masm)
The following is the speech of qzxcl on 2002-11-4 16:09:24:
How to use tasm?
How to display Chinese in DEBUG?
The second question has an answer in the United DOS forum. Please look for it carefully.
As for the first one, it's too big? I don't know how to explain it at once. Basically, it's the same usage as masm. It's just that it supports a bit different instructions than masm (more? )
It's all explained in any assembly language textbook. (referring to masm)
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大家都知道WNDOWS是由DOS发展来而的,也就说这是历史发展的必然,现在DOS只能是高手们的工具了(因为自己不是高手才这样说的),我非常同意禅宗的看法,DOS只能是WINDOWS的补充了。
Everyone knows that WNDOWS evolved from DOS, which is the inevitable result of historical development. Now DOS can only be a tool for experts (I say this because I'm not an expert myself). I very much agree with the view of Zen Buddhism that DOS can only be a supplement to WINDOWS.
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Wengier
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『第 15 楼』:
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但事实不是这样的。比如FreeDOS发展的目的就绝不是作为WIN的补充。
But that's not the case. For example, the purpose of FreeDOS's development is by no means to be a supplement to WIN.
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Wengier - 新DOS时代
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