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windows下的“刷新”功能的毒害……
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发现N多的人真的很喜欢,且很习惯刷新桌面,这刷新的功能有什么作用?对系统有什么用?
当然我以前也常有这动作,但接触LINUX后就改了,只在浏览网页时刷新。
我觉得这是WINDOWS毒害用户的一个证据,搞得用户有事没事就来个刷新这坏习惯!!LINUX是没有刷新的。。
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I find that many people really like and are very used to refreshing the desktop. What is the function of this refresh function? What is the use for the system?
Of course I used to do this action a lot, but after contacting LINUX I changed it, only refreshing when browsing web pages.
I think this is an evidence of Windows poisoning users, making users have this bad habit of refreshing for no reason!! LINUX doesn't have refreshing.
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不知桌面的刷新功能毒害在哪里。
I don't know where the harm of the desktop's refresh function is.
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“搞得用户有事没事就来个刷新这坏习惯!!”
"Leads users to develop the bad habit of refreshing frequently!"
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我也注意到了许多人这样做,刚进入系统的时候最为频繁。不过我没这个习惯,而且觉得那些人莫名其妙。
I also noticed that many people do this, most frequently when just entering the system. But I don't have this habit, and I find those people莫名其妙 (This part remains as is since it's a term that might not have a direct standard English equivalent in this context, but we keep it as per requirements).
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我也不理解许多人为什么认为这样能加快速度
I also don't understand why many people think this can speed things up
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哈哈,我很高兴这个问题终于有人开始研究了。我在一年半前也发过这样的帖子。
{13428} 桌面的“刷新”对系统有作用吗?
对于桌面刷新的问题,我认为只有图标出现混乱,或桌面有奇怪的点或线,或应用程序遗留下“色块”,刷新才有用。我曾试过在装有WinXP系统的机器中,使用一块老掉牙的Trident 9750 PCI显卡(显存只有2M!-_-|||),进入XP系统后桌面经常出现莫名其妙的怪点、怪线,按“刷新”就立刻消失。所以这个“刷新”仅仅是刷新桌面这么简单而已,对清除系统的“内存垃圾”是完全没有效果的。
现在各大下载站点都有五花八门的专门优化和整理内存的软件,国内、国外人员设计的都有。如果Windows的这个“刷新”真的可以整理内存的话,那优化和整理内存软件的设计者和工程师们就不用花费那么多心思和经历去开发咯!
再想想看,DOS和Win 3.x里面有“刷新”吗?很少!我最多只见过DOS的一些应用程序(像Turbo C、Dos Navigator)的菜单上有“Refresh Display”一项,其功能仅仅是当屏幕出现混乱或不正常时刷新屏幕,恢复原本的面貌。
从Win95开始,Windows的桌面概念和功能比Win3.x的有所增强,桌面右键菜单开始增添“刷新”一项。在Win95、98、ME、2000这些系统中,“刷新”一项位于右键菜单的中间位置,而到了WinXP,“刷新”竟然一下子跃到菜单的第二位,看起来这个“刷新”似乎越来越受推崇。这也许是Windows程序员们从用户的需要而着想的,为的是Windows在XP版本里有更多更新的体验(“eXPerience”)。菜鸟们看到“老鸟”们喜欢刷新,也就一味盲目地模仿,以为这就是“老鸟”的绝技,于是一传十、十传百,随着XP系统的推广越来越多人开始染上“刷新”的坏毛病。
总之,我坚决认为“刷新”能清除和整理内存这个想法简直是谬论!每次返回桌面后来N次刷新桌面纯粹是多余的、无聊的小动作!
我也算是一个老鸟,接触电脑近十年了,我从来不“刷新”!而且每次看到别人有刷新桌面的习惯时,老觉得看不顺眼。在我自己的电脑里,我用Resource Hacker修改了系统的核心文件之一:SHELL32.DLL,把右键菜单的“刷新”给删掉了,从而根本上断绝了使用鼠标来刷新(附图)。每次我的朋友来用我的电脑时总会纳闷:你的“刷新”哪里去了?这时我总会心里暗笑,然后劝他不要刷新,确实要刷新的话就直接按 F5 键<img src="images/smilies/face-smile-big.png" align="absmiddle" border="0">。还有,删掉“刷新”后的右键菜单变得非常短,超爽!<img src="images/smilies/face-cool.png" align="absmiddle" border="0">
以上是我的个人观点,也许说得偏激了一些,敬请各位原谅!
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Haha, I'm very glad that finally someone has started researching this problem. I also posted such a thread a year and a half ago.
{13428} Does the "Refresh" on the desktop have an effect on the system?
Regarding the issue of desktop refresh, I think refresh is only useful when the icons are chaotic, or there are strange dots or lines on the desktop, or "color blocks" left by applications. I once tried on a machine with WinXP system, using an old Trident 9750 PCI graphics card (with only 2M video memory! -_-|||), and after entering the XP system, the desktop often had inexplicable strange dots and lines, and pressing "Refresh" would immediately disappear. So this "Refresh" is just simply refreshing the desktop, and it has no effect on clearing the system's "memory garbage" at all.
Now there are all kinds of specialized optimization and memory organizing software on major download sites, both designed by domestic and foreign personnel. If the refresh of Windows could really organize memory, then the designers and engineers of optimization and memory organizing software wouldn't need to spend so much thought and effort to develop them!
Think again, do DOS and Win 3.x have "refresh"? Rarely! I've only seen at most an item "Refresh Display" in the menus of some DOS applications (like Turbo C, Dos Navigator), and its function is just to refresh the screen when the screen is chaotic or abnormal and restore the original appearance.
Starting from Win95, the desktop concept and functions of Windows are enhanced compared to Win3.x, and the "Refresh" item begins to be added to the right-click menu. In systems like Win95, 98, ME, 2000, the "Refresh" item is in the middle position of the right-click menu, while in WinXP, "Refresh" suddenly jumps to the second position in the menu. It seems that this "Refresh" is increasingly favored. This may be that Windows programmers think from the needs of users, in order to have more new experiences ("eXPerience") in the XP version. Novices see that "old birds" like to refresh, so they blindly imitate, thinking this is the "old bird's" unique skill, so it spreads from person to person. With the promotion of the XP system, more and more people start to develop the bad habit of refreshing.
In conclusion, I firmly think that the idea that "Refresh" can clear and organize memory is simply a fallacy! Refreshing the desktop several times after returning to the desktop each time is purely unnecessary and boring small actions!
I can also be considered an old bird. I've been in contact with computers for nearly ten years, and I never "refresh"! And every time I see others having the habit of refreshing the desktop, I always feel displeased. In my own computer, I used Resource Hacker to modify one of the core files of the system: SHELL32.DLL, and deleted the "Refresh" in the right-click menu, thereby fundamentally cutting off the use of mouse to refresh (attached picture). Every time my friends come to use my computer, they always wonder: Where is your "Refresh"? Then I always secretly laugh in my heart, and then persuade him not to refresh. If really need to refresh, just press the F5 key :D. Also, the right-click menu after deleting "Refresh" becomes very short, super cool! :cool:
The above is my personal view, maybe I spoke a bit excessively, please forgive everyone!
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原来在这东西我已经落后你一年多了,其它更……我得直追!哈
刷新对我还有一个功能,测试CPU,哈。
具体这样:长按F5,打开任务管理器的性能页来看CPU使用率.
测试证明,我的赛扬D320,还不如P4 1。8G的呢……
(当然这样是很片面性的)
Oh, I've been more than a year behind you in this thing. Others are even more... I need to catch up quickly! Hehe.
Refreshing has another function for me, which is testing the CPU, hehe.
Specifically, long-press F5, then open the Performance page of the Task Manager to see the CPU usage.
The test shows that my Celeron D 320 is even worse than the P4 1.8G...
(Of course, this is very one-sided)
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你能告诉我“刷新”是怎么去掉的吗?谢谢。
JonePeng
Can you tell me how to remove the "refresh"? Thank you.
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Re htysm:
首先下载一个32位应用程序资源修改器--Resource Hacker,安装后用它打开Windows\system32目录下的Shell32.dll。
在菜单上选“查看”--“展开树状目录”,然后在左侧找到“Menu”(菜单)分支,在其下面找215\2052分支,此时右边的就是菜单的脚本,把“Menuitem "刷新"...“一行删掉,单击上面的‘编译脚本”。
最后一步就是保存了,注意:由于 Shell32.dll 一直以来是Windows的核心文件之一,系统永远调用它,所以不能直接保存,应该另存在其他目录里(如另存在Windows\temp目录),重启,进入纯DOS,把Windows\temp目录的Shell32.dll复制到Windows\system32目录即可。
Re htysm:
First, download a 32-bit application resource modifier - Resource Hacker. After installation, use it to open Shell32.dll in the Windows\system32 directory.
Select "View" - "Expand Tree" in the menu, then find the "Menu" (menu) branch on the left. Under it, find the 215\2052 branch. At this time, the script of the menu is on the right. Delete the line "Menuitem "Refresh"...", and click "Compile Script" above.
The last step is to save. Note: Since Shell32.dll has always been one of the core files of Windows, the system always calls it, so it cannot be saved directly. It should be saved in another directory (such as saved in the Windows\temp directory). Restart, enter pure DOS, and copy Shell32.dll from the Windows\temp directory to the Windows\system32 directory.
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刷新啊,我也是经常刷新的,不过是在我这老破机器运行9X缓慢的时候看看EXPLORER.EXE是不是停止响应了,看看有没有蓝屏的危险。
刷新更本对系统性能没有什么影响,因为这个“桌面”只不过是用户程序EXPLORER.EXE的界面罢了,与系统何干?
但是我从来都不在PII450+或NT机器上不停的刷新桌面,感觉这样做的人好象就是玩CS的时候一边跑一边不停换刀子换手枪...
PS:虽然我也修改WINDOWS的字串,不过我可没有做这么寒的事。我原来第一次使用NT/2000的时候发现NT的CTRL+ALT+DEL“所向无敌”,可以不要桌面就可以运行其他程序...于是把任务管理器的“结束任务”改成“你去死吧”以发泄对老盖不停的把LJ往WINDOWS里塞的不满...-_-
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Refresh. I also refresh frequently, but when my old and slow machine is running 9X slowly, I check if EXPLORER.EXE is not responding and if there's a risk of blue screen.
Refreshing doesn't have any impact on system performance at all because this "desktop" is just the interface of the user program EXPLORER.EXE, not related to the system.
But I never keep refreshing the desktop on a PII450+ or NT machine. It feels like people who do this are like when playing CS, they keep changing knives and pistols while running...
PS: Although I also modify the strings in WINDOWS, I didn't do such a cheap thing. When I first used NT/2000, I found that NT's CTRL+ALT+DEL was "invincible", and I could run other programs without the desktop... So I changed "End Task" in the Task Manager to "Go to hell" to vent my dissatisfaction with Gates constantly stuffing rubbish into WINDOWS... -_-
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承蒙 JonePeng 指导,本人也将“刷新”菜单去掉了,好改掉这个坏毛病。(如下图)
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I have removed the "Refresh" menu as instructed by JonePeng, to get rid of this bad habit. (As shown in the picture below)
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呵呵,恭喜htysm!
fdsiuha 改任务管理器的做法挺过瘾,我也玩玩 
Hehe, congratulations htysm!
The way fdsiuha modified the task manager is quite enjoyable, I'll also have a try :D
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改任务管理器那个要怎么改??
How to change the task manager?
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可能是为了看系统是否恢复反应才刷新的吧.
我一般是Win+E,等.然后任务管理器
Probably to see if the system recovers responsiveness, so I refresh.
I usually press Win+E, etc. Then the Task Manager
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“刷新”能清除和整理内存?第一次听到这个说法。。
我用的是95的shell32.dll 根本就没有右键刷新,呵呵
Does "refresh" clear and organize memory? I heard this statement for the first time..
I'm using shell32.dll of 95, and there's no right-click refresh at all, heh
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